Say goodbye to the information age: it’s all about reputation now
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Isn't this just a return to form? This sounds like what newspapers, publishers, academics, etc have been doing for hundreds of years. Even 'fake news' is nothing new; there have always been disreputable publishers willing to endorse wild conspiracies.
The novel thing is that the filtering and evaluation has become decentralized. The article implores us to ask "Who are the authorities who believe it? What are my reasons for deferring to these authorities?", but increasingly we depend on our friends and likeminded crowds to approve information through sharing rather than engaging with an authority by subscribing to a newspaper or feed.
Since the most exaggerated interpretations of a situation are almost inevitably the most shared, just checking the reputation of the source isn't enough. Consider the amount of mainstream media coverage on the "golden shower" aspect of the Trump dossier, when it was the least supported accusation. Or how Cuddy's provocative speech on body language went viral, despite other reputable researchers casting doubt. The structure of social media rewards stripping out context and nuance.
So instead of questioning authority figures, question your tribe. Does it sound too good to be true? Did you learn something new, or just confirm existing beliefs? Have you taken the time to see how the other tribe thinks about this issue? You can only escape your filter bubble if you make a conscious effort to do so (I'm still trying).
The awareness is very obviously hindered by capitalism. The market incentivizes misrepresentation.
In theory, newspapers (or other authority figures) should in theory report facts while staying impartial.
Growing up in suburban Illinois, we had a local paper. It was nothing special but at least had a commitment (in theory) to report things accurately. In a world where most people get their news from social media, people are driven by their incentives/dopamine conditioning toward a lot of behaviors that promote neither truth, nor engagement with opposing views.
What I find interesting, and absent from the conversation, is the social class dimension of this. The rich have always paid for reliable information, whether through newspaper subscriptions, magazines, or other high-quality private newsletters, some of them absurdly expensive (hundreds/thousands of dollars/year). As I get older, I find myself much, much more discerning about what I read. I've completely stopped using facebook (5-6 years ago), but now read The Economist, The SF Chronicle, Stratechery, and a handful of blogs from authors I trust. I don't know for sure, but I suspect "willingness to pay for good information" is a pretty strong correlate of wealth worldwide. I just have no idea whether it's causal, or a side effect of having disposable income, or what.
I'm the complete opposite. I've gone from being a subscriber to the economist, nytimes, npr, etc and accepting them as gospel to seeing them for agenda pushing institutions.
> but I suspect "willingness to pay for good information" is a pretty strong correlate of wealth worldwide.
I think you are missing the point. The wealthy don't read the economist. The wealthy hire the people to write in the economist.
Ultimately, social media is ( or at least has been ) the "people's" propaganda. The economist/etc are the wealthy elite's propaganda. It looks like the elite want to take over social media and make it part of their message platform as well.
I actually get most of my news filtered through HN comments and from independent podcasts by journalists I trust.
Or if opinions on the proposed news/idea are mixed or absent, I'll look at how bold the claim is and how disruptive the consequences of accepting it. Bold claims must offer more compelling support (or more undeniable) than mild claims, be that support evidentiary or logical.
Without sound support, at most I'll consider a claim to be plausible and perhaps intriguing. But it's not really trustworthy yet as news, and certainly not as science.
Another useful filter is to identify which of Logos, Pathos, or Ethos is being employed most. Is an article trying to support its claims with citations, original research, and sound logic? Or is it just calling everyone who disagrees with it immoral?
- Belief that product/engineering/tech always trumps distribution. Sometimes it does. Often it doesn't.
- Way too focused on software as "tech" to the exclusion of everything else (physics, science, etc). Super-focused on programming languages, dev tools, anything that touches code.
Re: "bipartisan reactionism", my wife sits a little left of me politically so I tend to read more conservative news (e.g. WSJ), whereas she gives me the scoop from NPR and NYT. We meet in the middle. It's nice.
Hacker news is not a great news source. A very limited view, a very hash filter, an echo chamber with extremely like-minded people on tech.
As a result you get the frequent ideas that tech is the solution to everything (in fact it's horrible at most human nature problems), and the bias that the majority of people on here have been brought up with privilege even if the don't like to admit it, and are also currently living a life of privilege - most don't know what the world looks like for even the majority of Americans.
OF COURSE they push an agenda. EVERYONE pushes an agenda. But I do think there's a brightline between "pushing an agenda" and "publishing things that are false". The Economist is at least open about it, calling what they do "editorial journalism". Publications like the NYT that purport to be "objective" chafe me way more. I'm not a Trump supporter but I promise you the NYT will report any wrong he does 10x as loudly and harshly as anything remotely positive.
It's OK. You just need to be aware of it.
The bigger problems, I think, are (a) people who believe things that are blatantly false, or (b) people who get all of their news with the same ideological slant. As someone who considers himself a "centrist" living in SF, (b) is decidedly not my problem. lol
You haven't said what you've replaced these news sources with.
I my eyes, a big part of problem is people letting perfect be the enemy of good. People conclude the nytimes or economist or any news source has some inherent bias in it. Those biases are smaller than most info sourced, but definitely but present. They then replace that news source with a non-factual (or significantly less factual) information source that more closely matches their biases.
Saying "I stopped reading the xyz mainstream paper and replaced it with my Facebook feed" is not a net win. Nor is replacing it with some guys blog online, nor an opinion show that includes factoids. But as little as people admit it, this is most of what I see happening.
The other answer I often hear is "I now take in a ton of different sources and make up my own mind." Which is a great philosophy as people should always be making up their own mind. But again, when usually pressing someone on the sources they take in, the majority are low-factual sources. That's not improving anything.
It's like a person having the same few meals every day. Their Dr says they should get more variety in their diet, so they add 30 different types of junk food. Yes it's technically more variety, but it's absolutely not an improvement.
If you look at the last electoral cycle, I think we had the most democratic (not Democratic) election in US history. The candidates went around the traditional party/media gatekeepers, "disintermediating" them by building "direct to consumer" brands on Twitter and other media platforms.
I don't think the US electorate was used to having so much choice. In the past, we got what the party gave us, which tended to be more centrist. All bets were off this time. All to say, I think you overestimate how critical the electorate at large is, it's just that it never mattered, until now.
> Such questions will help us to get a better grip on reality than trying to check directly the reliability of the information at issue. In a hyper-specialised system of the production of knowledge, it makes no sense to try to investigate on our own, for example, the possible correlation between vaccines and autism
There is middle ground between trusting a source because of its `reputation' and conducting trials yourself. Relying too much on reputation is also known as the "appeal to authority" fallacy.
I don't agree.
For one thing, it's overkill for the vast majority of cases. With most conspiracy theorists we're talking about people who don't understand units of measure; use glaringly inappropriate unit of measure; don't understand significant digits; sometimes don't use any units at all; make multiple statements of fact that contradict each other; attempt to make implicit changes to constant values in the course of the discussion; and/or, most importantly, exponentially explode the bounds of the discussion to avoid ever saying, "I'm getting the feeling I don't know what I'm talking about."
I don't need much of a reputation to realize that their system of knowledge is of such low quality that I can either reject it out of hand or simply reserve judgment.
For another, suppose my mortal enemy sends me hacked email evidence of my fiancee rigging the courting process with all kinds of unethical behavior against another suitor. In fact, my fiancee siphoned fuel from the vehicle of that person, constantly tried to get their electricity turned off, and wheeled-and-dealed with my family to get them to approve of my fiancee and disapprove of the other suitor.
Suppose my family confirms the veracity of the hacked emails.
I would say the most significant problem I have is between my soon to be ex-fiancee and me. But if I understand the upshot of the article, the author is claiming the most significant problem is between my mortal enemy and me.
Worse, the leaders of the Democratic Party in the U.S. seem to agree with the author.
Edit: clarification
It was important way before then, too. Google was arguably successful because they figured out a way to base SERPs in part on reputation. And I know that reputation certainly mattered on the BBSs I used to frequent.
Ironically I have no idea whether Gloria Origgi has a good reputation as an authority on the topic, but this excerpt/ad makes the book seem like a lightweight, new-to-the-internet-thinking-party treatment.
That barrier to entry used to be very high. Now it's almost non-existent. That's the cause of the symptoms that a number of other commentators have mentioned, such as "the death of ubiquitous, reliably-sourced information".
The flipside to this is that it's also a threat to propaganda from those who had the resources to create their own platforms when that was actually an achievement.
Also, as other commentators have said, critical thinking was always important, it's just a bit more important now because, as above, every moron has a platform. Or, maybe, the more things change the more they stay the same.
Tangential relationship: Music used to be a rebellious form of expression. It has been forcefully moulded into another tool of conformity once the powers that be worked out how to profit from it and boil off everything but the hooks that attack human evolutionary weaknesses.
The powers that be have already used Social Media to asset some amount of influence on the US election. That's a big proof of concept.
Take author's moon landing example. If you really care, there are mirrors on the moon. If you want to know we've been there or not, you can devise an experiment, fire a laser at those mirrors, and get a reflected beam back.
People now call things like "climate change" a science (and it's settled!), without doing the fundamental thing science requires: An experiment with a control group. Climate models are statistical correlation, not an experiment with a control group. It is not proof of causality.
For example, if a model is trained to calculate the average Earth surface temperature based on recorded CO2 levels up to the year 2000, and then it correctly predicts the average surface temperature of all subsequent years, with just the CO2 levels as input, that would be a very helpful model for deciding what would be a safe level of CO2 to have in the atmosphere if we want the Earth's temperature to have less than some particular amount of warming.
To be clear: I'm not saying it isn't happening. (It is.) I'm not saying it's not caused by humans. (I think it probably is.) I'm saying that they have been terrible at proving anything. Everything from modifying the data and then deleting the original data to creating models that fail to predict the future.
My point is that there is no "they" so assigning behavior makes to "them" makes it impossible to counter-argue. You say they did it, but you can't even define they, so how would I prove they didn't do that?
(Which is related to the article - "they" doesn't have a reputation, except for the negative one you just insinuated on the spot)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intergovernmental_Panel_on_Cli...
If? I believe you just told me that you didn't build the model yourself. You're validating my statements from your first word. This is my point. It's the information equivalent of hearsay.
In a small town, you could conceivably have firsthand knowledge of every restaurant and person you see each day. As we trade and communicate over longer and longer distances, we rely more on the opinions of things like Zagat/Yelp, intermediaries like booking/expedia, etc. These intermediaries are becoming extremely powerful as growing numbers rely on them, and all business is transacted globally.
In "the olden days", perhaps you could be just good at a craft. Now it feels like every single person has to play this elaborate reputational game, down to the level of individual careers, etc. I think it's always been like this in the law profession but it's spreading to everything as more of what we do is traded.
Blog post on this topic: https://blog.shortbar.com/the-end-of-the-country-developer-7...
https://www.kcet.org/history-society/how-los-angeles-began-t...