Rate my iPhone app: cooking recipes as Gantt charts. Tell me what you think.
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But the make or break deal on this is going to be the online recipe collection / organizing application, so that you can plan meals on the website, upload the shopping list to a shopping app (or make it so that another app can download it), and have the phone app access the prepared cooking instructions. The '22 tasty recipes' on the main page makes me think that there are only 22 recipes, and that you can't add any as a user, is this correct?
Secondly, are you planning an Android version? I'd pay $10 for it, just for checking it out. If the online service works well, if it can suggest daily menus for me and automatically make shopping lists + cooking instructions and if that works well for ingredients readily available here, I'd even pay $10/month for it. Then over time it should learn my tastes by letting me rate the recipe suggestions and adjust future suggestions on that.
I have thought about using car navigation systems to run something like this. You'd put one on the fridge or kitchen wall with the suction cup that they usually come with, and the software would run on that device. They're usually more rugged than phones. I know someone has a Linux version that runs om TomTom, I don't know if anyone made an Android for TomTom yet...
I'd love to have it and would gladly pay for it and a dynamic recipe collection.
Android version will be coming, but one of the difficulties is that I won't be able to sell android applications from Finland.
Either way I'm really looking forward to this, please keep us posted! If you could partner with a high-quality recipe website, this could be a killer app (there are thousands of recipe websites but most of them just have 1-paragraph braindumps, very hard to follow. It's going to be a major challenge to find a way to let users input the 'steps' of a recipe, including which tasks are parallel etc. There certainly won't be a way to do this automatically in software, each recipe will have to be 'converted' manually).
I'm willing to contribute recipe instructions, even if it means I have to hand-edit xml or yaml or whatever :)
Google, you only have yourself to blame.
How are you representing the critical path?
Some minor issues. 1) Since the Food Gantt chart is displayed landscape, not intuitive that you have to swipe left to go back to the main recipe list. 2) If you are scrolled way down on a Food Gantt chart and go back to the main recipe list and choose another one - the newly selected recipe is at the same scroll offset as the previous (e.g. already scrolled way down).
Suggestions. 1) Show the timer on the Gantt charts - e.g. simple moving forward animation (blink the time remaining for the X cooking step). 2) The standalone timer is a little hard to use and maybe too cutesy - a standard digital timer might work better but might not fit with your aesthetics 3) Social. If you can work out a deal with a cooking website (structure it as win/win - they get an iPhone app, you get the recipes) - you can seed your database in a hurry (I assume the custom graphics for ingredients would max out or could be genericized for the time being). 4) Judging solely on the app size (14.2mb), it appears that you may not be rendering the Gantt charts (e.g. they are drawn by hand? which is why you don't have timer integration). If this is true, this is your critical path - you need to render the Gantt charts as soon as possible.
We haven't though much about how to evolve this thing further, gotta think it through before i start implementing things.
Care to share any rough details of how long it took to ship the MVP?
fully agree. And where it says "Visual Cookbook" to the left of the icon the 'Visual' is quite hard to read.. looks a bit like "Vosuat".
Doing it over again, I'd have focussed on our core product for iPad for longer rather than immediately trying to go universal. It makes every feature we add from here on out a much larger QA headache, and hasn't been worth it in terms of gaining access to the much larger market of iPhone users.
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Indeed. I'm probably never going to use a recipe app on my iPhone - its too small and hard to look at when I put it down on the table while my hands are dirty.
iPad, on the other hand, would be excellent.
Are the timers integrated with the recipe? For example, if the recipe says "bake for 30 minutes" could tapping that start a 30 minute timer?
I think this is a great app! Try to get it in the hands of places like Bon Appetit and chowhound.com.
What you really need is the critical path mapped out rather than multiple tasks in parallel. People generally cook doing one thing at a time - prep this, chop this, add to pan, now chop this so on and so forth.
For a nervous cook I can see this being slightly confusing, or at least a non-optimal presentation of the information. For an experienced cook it's just noise.
I think you're onto something laying things out visually, I'm just not sure that this is the way it will work best.
But for people who are not at all adventurous in the kitchen, I think this is a great way to get them into cooking more than just hamburgers and frozen pizza.
Consider a recipe like chicken cacciatore. It's easy to make, but involves several parts. Experienced cooks recognize the patterns; prepare sauce while you get the chicken started, then braise. But look at the recipes out there and it's a mess. A flow diagram is a great way to getting someone to say "this is something I can do".
If you start down one arrow with this you're going to find yourself getting to a point where you're expected to have done a bunch of other things. It's a good overview of the whole process but I'm not sure it helps the person going "what do I do next?"
Maybe there could be two views - the flow chart which is the overview as many people want to know where they're heading before they start out and how it all links up, and a step by step which guides people through it in the order they'd do things?
I'm not saying I don't like the idea, I just think it needs a bit of work.
As an experience cook myself, I'm frustrated just by looking at the screenshots.
22 recipes doesn't seem like a lot - a way for users to submit their own recipes (webapp?) for use with the app would be fantastic.
Also, I had to borrow someone's iPhone to check this out. Having a demo video on the site might help to get an idea of how it works for those that don't have access to an iPhone.
This was in my mind since the start, but we just wanted to get something out quickly to see how people like the idea. As reception seems pretty positive, I'll be working hard to develop the app further.
I like the idea and look forward to taking the app for a spin. What should I cook first?
I recommend feta cheese soup, if you want something with beef with in it then bratwurst pasta :)
Based on the feedback we have for the first day since realease, we will definitely keep developing the app further. Thanks.
Things I would improve:
1) I can't believe I cannot add my own recipes on there. I thought I'd be able to add my recipes and send my friends an email with an image attachment akin to what you guys designed. Or a web app attached to it. 2) I'd go full screen (hide top bar when displaying recipe image). 3) I'd rotate the display of the recipe itself or offer the ability to rotate it. 3) The timers are difficult to use. I find myself scrolling up/down instead of sideways. Honestly there isn't a need for more than one screen to display all three timers. 4) the number display gets wonky past 99 minutes. I cook a lot using sous-vide and cooking times often exceed 3-4 hours. [screenshot](http://img.skitch.com/20100902-jc1b8tjam53ru1qeps5u18gy4u.jp...) 5) I like the audio used for when the timer is finished but if I'm making loud noises in the kitchen I might miss it because it is too short. Any chance you could make it loop every few seconds?
I'd strongly recommend that you put up a paragraph or two of real (non-image) text into that page somewhere, or at least add a decent <meta> description tag.
Googling for your app shows no text at all in the hit, and having no indexable page content really limits what searches you'll show up for.
Alton Brown would be proud.
- Make sure there's a way to disable the "sleep/screensaver" mode. This is my biggest annoyance.
- I couldn't tell what the "milk" icon was supposed to be. Maybe show a glass of milk instead?
- Most importantly, instead of showing the ingredients as icons, show them as "before/after" each step. Preferably with photos, not illustrations. For example, you say "potatoes: peel and slice". In my experience, a novice cook would say, "how thin? do you want them lengthwise or what?", etc.. same thing with "finely chop garlic", "cut off the dark green part of the leeks?", and especially "boil until thickened and bubbly", etc... what beginning cooks what is "make it look like THIS (with a picture).
- I LOVE the kitchen timers. Maybe make that a separate app?
I would highly recommend the developer add a simple voice recognition functionality. Even something as simple as "next" & "back" which scrolls the screen would improve the usefulness of this app.
Just one bit of criticism : I think you really could use a better logo on the website. It's quite hard to read and seems a bit uninspired compared to the awesome app design.
I wish you success with this great idea and execution.
Would be good as a web app, especially if you could find a way to let people add their own recipes and have them automagically turn into useful charts.
You could then host those recipes or share them with others (think of Mom telling her son at uni how to make a roast).
ETA: Problems like 'how to create the workflow' may have already been solved by large scale manufacturers. This is simply the kitchen-based equivalent.
Even publishers might be interested if there was a way of taking the bland text input and then having a chart as the output since it would make recipes more readable. As mentioned elsewhere in the thread, an iPad version would also be great.
My personal problem with recipe apps generally for the iPhone/iPad is that it's hard to use them when your hands are messy from cooking. Even if you don't have to scroll the screen, then you have to turn off the automatic standby and then I inevitably forget to turn it on again and find myself with zero battery unexpectedly.
TBH it would seem more natural as a web app though. Easier to expand content too buf of course it's more difficult to monetize.
- Readability is critical, but current font/contrast choices don't yet seem optimal (on site or in screenshots)
- Voice control for scrolling could be a giant win -- cooks' hand are messy! (Similarly, a voice-synthesizer reading the recipe on request, with tivo-like voice controls, would be cool.)
- iPad!
I would think about allowing users to "import" recipes that would turn them into one of your diagrams. Such that any cooking site out there could embed your diagrams into it.
I have met other iPhone developers now and then, but it's not very easy line of business. I do web development mostly, and try to make iPhone apps when I have time/money for it.