It'd be interesting to see what proportion of the pay gap/high status job gap comes from different sociosexual incentives, though I have a hard time imagining a good way to measure that.
Obviously this is highly speculative but for quite some time now I have the theory that the former Sowiet Union states (Russia et al) and large parts of Latin America don't progress as much simply because male financial success isn't tied as much to better dating options. At least to me as a traveler it seems that many men in those countries have a wide choice of attractive girls, regardless of how well they are off.
This would also explain the rise of the Chinese economy in the recent decades, as they have a surplus of men and I heard that they need to own at least a flat and a car to have chances on the dating market.
I am from an ex-Soviet block country (Poland). I agree that people in here are less obsessed with success and money than the Westernerns. This also translates into dating/marriage choices of women.
Obviously, this is a huge generalization, but I think it can be justified by looking at our history. Over time, so much terrible things happened here that people learned not to create too strong attachments to material things and societial hierarchies (which disappear when you're invaded by another country). It was wiser to try to find joy in family, human connection and simple things that cannot be taken away from you so easily.
I was working in Rome a few years ago and people there are very practical with cars, they are small and cheap.
On the other hand here they are very much status symbols. People like to drive big and powerful German cars - you would never see someone driving a Fiat Cinquecento, even though they are much more appropriate for wages here.
Interesting. When I was visiting Malmo (in suposedly egalitarian Sweden) I was shocked about the amount of premium cars (Audis, BMWs etc.) on the streets. Seemed anything but egalitarian to me. I had similar impressions in Germany or the UK. It's interesting why Rome is different.
There’s definitely an advantage to having a small car in Italy (I had a Prius and it felt too big), but most people had cars that would even feel old here (where most people have 2nd or 3rd hand cars).
There are a few factors at play here.
At least in Poland women more often than men choose to leave rural areas in favor of cities and that results in city-dwelling populations dominated by women(often single) and rural population dominated by men(also single).
Also there's a social stigma connected to being a woman over 30 who is still single/childless.
Lastly in post-soviet countries men commit suicide significantly more often than women - often early in life - which further skewes the gender ratio.
Men here are still regarded as providers and status, or at least status signaling, matters - one obvious example is how much people(men) spend on cars.
I'd love to live in a place where this were true. Which cities exactly have such thing going on?
> Also there's a social stigma connected to being a woman over 30 who is still single/childless.
Or is there?
Also, either there is stigma for being single woman or there are vast numbers of single women. Both at the same time cannot be true in even somewhat stable system, and it's hard to argue that Polish cities are in total chaos.
> Lastly in post-soviet countries men commit suicide significantly more often than women - often early in life - which further skewes the gender ratio.
Yes, because suicide is a primary or at least a major reason that men die (or die young).
> I'd love to live in a place where this were true. Which cities exactly have such thing going on?
Warsaw is a great example, but ironically these womens' standards are pretty high - all in all they didn't leave their 30k-something-souls towns for the Big City to marry a man who doesn't enjoy a decent social status himself.
> Or is there? Also, either there is stigma for being single woman or there are vast numbers of single women. Both at the same time cannot be true in even somewhat stable system, and it's hard to argue that Polish cities are in total chaos.
Anecdata: my sister was born in 86' and is currently single and childless, just like a few of her friends. On one hand they're pressured to do something about this, on the other there aren't many eligible bachelors available because well, they're taken. This song[0] illustrates this point beautifully.
Hell, the problem is so visible right now that a TV show dedicated to making couples out of (most of the time)well-off farmers and city-dwelling women[1] was created.
How is that sad. You've actively decided to trade more of your effort to get more of other people's effort. Its a win win.
And you can stop at any time.
That said, it's a choice I didn't choose to have. I'd much sooner choose to live in a world where gender norms would allow me to both a) pursue the things I want to pursue and b) have as much dating success doing them as I do now (a fair amount, having led up to several successful long term relationships) instead of then (going months without a date while actively trying to date).
Additionally, I question the viewpoints of people who think that the pay gap come purely from evil men discriminating against deserving women instead of social norms that are enforced in significant part by women.
I would also like to live in a world where I get to do whatever I want and get from other people whatever I want. However, we live in a world where we have to give and take, so we need to give something we dont want to give to take something we want..