Days Since a Cryptocurrency Exchange Has Lost More Than $100M
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In my case, there was a "0" on the page as the main value for at least 5-10 seconds (probably due to HN load) before the correct value was displayed ("12").
"Hacked" is such a convenient word to cover the story of any losses.
That crappy vulnerability could just have been placed to make people convinced how it was "hacked".
When you want to be personally responsible for your money, you have to accept that you're personally responsible for its security as well. Banks and financial regulators literally exist to push that responsibility onto someone else in the traditional systems, with the well-known tradeoffs.
That had to be a known hole to the designer, presumably whoever wrote that code just bought tickets to a non-extradition country.
Obviously it SHOULD read "loading..." and then that loading... text should be replaced.
Why do I point this out?
Because this oversight coincidentally serves the purposes of the page (its humor), it's a particularly strong impact when that reads 0 days.
It's not supposed to actually read that way, but, there you have it. A good example of the principle in practice.
If anyone has a better idea of how to make things work so that people with tracking protection don't run into problems feel free to submit a pull request.
The internet isn’t going to work for you any more. Get past it.
https://twitter.com/bascule/status/962740918053888000
https://twitter.com/ofnumbers/status/962149781400305664
https://twitter.com/patio11/status/957514764011298816
https://twitter.com/patio11/status/938519280240357376
There are some dollar-pegged ERC20 tokens like Tether (backed by dollars) and DAI (a stable coin) that could allow what is effectively fiat-value <-> token decentralized exchange, but to acquire actual fiat, that can be used in the rest of the financial system, requires interaction with a centralized exchange that has a banking relationship.
But please note it's not a complete fix either. You still have third parties you must trust (presuming others decentralized exchanges are built like stellar's one). Instead of having one third party for all markets, you have one third party per asset.
When you buy xrp for xlm, for example, you don't actually own xrp, you own credits for the xrp anchor, with the promise you can withdraw them. So it's exactly like current exchanges, except if one anchor gets hacked, it does not affects all assets, just the one it manages. That's still better than current situation, and decentralized markets have many other advantages.
Liquidity is the number one reason traders love the Forex markets, and the reason so many Forex traders will trade only in the major currency pairs. Hell, I've even known a couple of traders who will only trade GBPUSD or EURUSD for that precise reason: If the market is sufficiently liquid, there is pretty-much ALWAYS someone who wants to trade at your price.
On the flipside, where liquidity is too thin there's no market, no matter how many bells and whistles the "exchange" has, and no matter how attractive the notion of pure p2p exchange might be.
Really? Liquid means trading volume right? Not that others are trading as the price that I find reasonable?
Lets say I find paying $10 for a BTC reasonable, no matter how liquid, I cannot get that deal.
This is the faulty argument in the 'its going to 0' position, there are too many folks like me that will keep buying as long as we can afford it.
I had been all in favor of blockchain and cryptocurrencies for a decentralized approach to local applications, closed markets. To be fair, I never believed blockchain could reach global scalability and there are still concerns on that part.
We all saw the future value and possibilities before everybody started branding their deficient products with blockchain. I hope the bad taste surrounding this technology will wither in a short amount of time.
IIRC Swissquote does do actual BTC, ETH and a few others, though, and istr seeing one or two others, but I'm not a collector and hoarder of Forex exchanges. Pretty sure I've seen a bank or two dipping their toes into the water, too. After all, if there's money to be made out of it, they'll hardly be likely to stay away.
While cryptocurrency might look like it's a big deal, it's still pretty much peanuts for many existing players.
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The counter updates to 12 after the script runs, for myself. It is using a Twitter API at the back, so far as I can tell.
The resource at “https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js” was blocked because tracking protection is enabled.
There is a TODO in there to calculate the timestamp based on the tweet id rather than digging through the tweet iframe after it loads. If someone wants to submit a pull request for that it should speed things up tremendously. Bitwise manipulations in JS are annoying though so I haven't bothered.
That was just one bug and was not the cause of all the losses. Other users reported issues with withdrawals and deposits , especially pertaining to litecoin and etherem over-credits. I think there was a bug that caused people to get too much.
If we called it "code currency" and touted the ability to use open source to buy and sell things then I think people WOULD compare it to preexisting currencies. Instead, open source code is touted as a replacement for proprietary code, and we often hear people making comparisons such as "Gimp vs Photoshop" or "Linux vs MacOS".
The dollar-value for cryptocurrencies is because they are CURRENCIES.
* shelter * food * ammunition * education for the children
As it stands, the craze of virtual currencies is merely a distraction from important issues, not to mention a waste of electricity and mindshare.
The value of a cryptocurrency is just how much money people are paying for it.
It's like people making fun of first airplanes 150 years ago (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sp7MHZY2ADI). First attempts to fly were full of huge failure, many leading to deaths. Many people ridiculed the very idea we would one day do mass travel by plane.
I thought of anyone, we should know better than making fun of new tech having some failures, this is how tech works. Because one day, one of these techs may take off like these planes eventually did and you will be the one looking like a fool then.
> The technology is not being ridiculed
I could find you plenty of people ridiculing cryptocurrencies on twitter everyday. This site is just another example.
"Still, it’s important to put things in perspective. A recent report suggests that at current prices, Bitcoin miners will consume an estimated 8.27 terawatt-hours per year. That might sound like a lot, but it’s actually less than an eighth of what U.S. data centers use, and only about 0.21 percent of total U.S. consumption. It also compares favorably to the currencies and commodities that bitcoin could help replace: Global production of cash and coins consumes an estimated 11 terawatt-hours per year, while gold mining burns the equivalent of 132 terawatt-hours. And that doesn’t include armored trucks, bank vaults, security systems and such. So in the right context, bitcoin is positively green."
https://www.bloomberg.com/amp/view/articles/2017-12-07/bitco...
I have bad news for you, we will probably all end up using cryptocurrencies eventually. Even banks are starting to see the writing on the wall. It is just a superior technology to fiat https://www.cnbc.com/2018/02/23/bank-of-america-worried-abou...
Air travel had immediate, obvious advantages. There were many technical challenges but getting somewhere fast no matter the terrain was an obvious win. In contrast, the first decade of crypto currency hype has basically been “you should use your money to make me rich and in return you’ll get to do what you could already do except it’ll cost more and won’t have fraud protection”. A hype cycle like that always gets mockery and the way to deal with it is to drop it, be honest about what went wrong, and do something which useful.
IoT is a good example of both outcomes: bad products get mocked but millions of useful devices are selling because they do something ordinary people want.
And yet, the amount of FUD and ridicule people got for trying to fly was enormous. In hindsight, the advantages of a successful technology are always obvious.
> In contrast, the first decade of crypto currency hype has basically been “you should use your money to make me rich and in return you’ll get to do what you could already do except it’ll cost more and won’t have fraud protection”.
That is not how it was introduced to the world, crypto currency was introduced as a trustless decentralized cash currency no tyrant could ever manipulate to the detriment of the people, the ability to send cash near instantly to anyone across the world without a central authority. If bitcoin becomes successful (not saying it will) at fighting currency manipulation and banking the poor, people like you will say "Crypto currency had immediate, obvious advantages. There were many technical challenges but sending money fast across the world with no intermediary and making currency manipulation by tyrants impossible was an obvious win.".
Sources? Almost immediately after the invention of flight, WWI started putting them to use [1]. (There was ridicule about the possibility of heavier-than-air flight prior to its invention. But that’s not comparable to the matter at hand.)
Was that for trying to fly or because the proposed mechanism was obviously unworkable? It’s not like people are saying there isn’t room to improve on the credit card system, only that you have to deliver something which is actually an improvement.
Similarly, your defense of bitcoin is a great example of that problem: nobody is arguing that the marketing points you repeated weren’t widely made, only that the system on offer falls far short.
(E.g. “send cash instantly” versus a substantial fee and time delay compared to a credit card. Similarly, talking about currency manipulation is reasonable but it’s laughable in the context of something which fluctuates so much more than almost all currencies)
Your last sentence doesn’t make any sense unless you live in a place with a tyrannical government, and they’ll take your bitcoin like anything else – in fact it’s easier since you have to leave a public history which cannot be repudiated.
There is a huge gap between “we genuinely don’t understand the full mechanics of heavier-than-air flight” and “we got an intern to write the front-end and there were no server side checks to verify your balance”. I won’t feel foolish because I do believe cryptocurrencies and blockchain can work, but I’ll happily ridicule those doing it poorly for a quick buck off the nonethewiser general consumer.
What's new here is people with little experience handling billions of dollars in transactions, and their cavalier attitude towards other people's money.
What's also new is the absolutely incredible acceptance of these "hacks"... 150M here 500M there, who cares - the perps will never be found. Nobody is going to jail.
The current state of crypto businesses is quite horrible, too many sell "Get 10000% returns in 1y" crap to naive people. Will be interesting how the this crypto craze will look when looking back at it after it has cooled down.