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> Everyone that talks about the good feeling you get afterwards either has different physiology, feels pain to a lower degree, or just has a better willpower + long term view.

My experience is that I don't feel good after exercise at first. I have to keep it up for multiple weeks, until my body actually gets fit enough that I can pass some inner threshold of a Real Workout, and get my reward of a happy kind of exhaustion.

I'm currently out of shape and fighting to try and get myself to go exercise regularly enough that this happens again. It's not easy.

Keep going. It took some experimenting for me to realize what kind of strength training and cardio I liked. Try different things until you find something that is tolerable and then take it to the next level.

You just need to find that dopamine-reward cycle that keep you motivated until it gets to a point where doing that exercise becomes a way of life. I say this as a person that has felt those things more than anyone.

I don't hate exercising, I hate the word, I hate the connotations and my history with it. I hated being overweight and as a result hated exercising.

Your making not making excuses, your brain is just making a rational judgement about the return your getting from that exercise. It might be looking for health benefits, but your brain wants the dopamine reward from the action. You need to get something emotional satisfying with the form of exercise you are doing. So you are going to have to find something fun, challenging but more importantly a short reward for that energy you put into exercising.

> MORE embarrassing

I think this is an interesting part. I've absolutely never felt embarrassed working out (no matter how out of shape I am), only about not exercising.

Exercising, for me, involves something of a Stoic (capital S) mentality: discomfort sucks, but it's temporary, and you can accept or even enjoy that aspect. It'll fade into the background soon enough.

Some people like to push themselves, others want the social aspect of team activities, some need a competitive aspect. Maybe the best option is working out with a friend you'd hate to disappoint by not showing up. Figure out what you can use to push yourself, and an activity that you don't hate much. Exploit your own psychology.

I have similar experiences in the broad strokes, but for me it's more that:

1) I don't feel anything interesting during exercise. I feel vague pressure and tension in roughly the expected places for a given movement, but that's about it. I don't get the sense that my body is actually doing anything in response to that movement.

2) If I make any attempt at actual intensity instead of literally just going through the motions (which does not do much to alleviate point #1), I often end up with some weird injury that flares up over the next week or two, even when nothing seemed to go wrong. Getting "brain fog" for hours after the exercise is also pretty common.

I suspect this is something to do with a broader interoception deficit (I also have trouble gauging hunger/fullness, thirst, tiredness, illness etc.), but it's hard to find any reliable information about that sort of problem. Most sources basically just tag it as an autism spectrum symptom and don't bother actually examining it.

A few things that may help. Do 2 months of consistent 3-5 times 1 hour moderate cardio a week. This will prepare your body for the more intense exercise you can start doing after the 2 months are up.

Don't wait until you are thirsty. Drink a mouthful of isotonic drink every 10 to 15 minutes minimum regardless of how you feel. Same for nutrition. Take a protein recovery shake immediately after you work out and then eat your meals normally. Also drink plenty of water after you exercise.

> Do 2 months of consistent 3-5 times 1 hour moderate cardio a week. This will prepare your body for the more intense exercise you can start doing after the 2 months are up.

Maybe I wasn't clear about this: I don't know how to maintain a consistent intensity when exercising. I don't have any particular awareness of my heart rate or respiration rate going up unless I stop and literally count. I don't have any sense of how fatigued I am until a good 15-30 minutes after I'm done, and even then it's quite vague.

I can relate to that to some extent. A good rule of thumb that I try to apply to weights is to pick a weight where can do 8 reps but where 10 would fatigue me. Same thing, if its cardio, I try to pick a pace where if I run for 10 minutes, I will need to rest. These two tricks help me at least improve my health incrementally.

I have trouble even sensing how fatigued I am, let alone guessing how fatigued a given exercise will make me.

Try paying attention to your respiration while running. Attempt to maintain a pace that is possible while only breathing through your nose. (This pace may be walking, which is fine.) This is less about proprioception and more about paying attention to what your exertion demands from your body and finding a pace/respiration equilibrium.

> Try paying attention to your respiration while running.

As I already tried to explain upthread (this seems to be a pattern), I have tried, and I don't know how to do those things at the same time. I can stop and count my breaths, but the sensation is so indistinct that it becomes difficult to keep track of when I'm doing anything else.

Get a heart rate monitor. Read up on heart rate zones and calculate yours. Biking is easier to maintain than running so if you have a bike use that.

Just to weigh against the sibling comment, if you're struggling to get into it then avoid pain at all costs and go for things that don't feel like work. Getting the benefits of moderate exercise absolutely does not require pain.

The earliest positive feedback you'll get from exercise is sleeping better that night.

It may be that the good feeling people get after exercising only comes later, after you somehow start associating exercise with its benefits.

Maybe I can offer personal insight here: finding comfort in discomfort, pleasure in pain and motivation in embarrassment really is the key, at least to me.

Walking + audiobooks have done wonders for me. I find myself taking hour long walks all the time just to read the next few chapters.

I've struggled with the opportunity cost of exercise, too. What I realised, though, was that I didn't really apply that same criteria to other things in my life. For example, I'd happily browse hacker news without worrying about the opportunity cost of that activity. The issue was that I saw one activity (browsing hacker news) as valuable, and one activity (exercise) as not.

I decided I had to first decide whether exercise was valuable to me. If I came to the conclusion that it wasn't, then I could forget about it completely and never worry about it again. I sense that you're still not completely convinced that exercise isn't a valuable activity, so I'd suggest continuing to apply logic to this problem until you know for certain.

My first step was to list out the pros and cons. Cons, it turned out, were just a few: time, a little bit of money, and temporary discomfort. Pros were significantly more: less pain as I age, more mobility as I age, more strength in case I need to lift things or climb over something one day, increased courage that comes with having a stronger body, increased courage from facing my fear of going to the gym, increased discipline, increased persistence, defeating a part of myself that's eaten away at me for too long, etc.

By doing that, I'd decided for myself that exercise was a valuable thing for me to do. I'd encourage you to do the same thing, and see if you come to the same conclusion. Once you find your own reasons for doing something, doing that thing becomes easier. Lifting weights because of some vague idea that it's good for you is a difficult thing to maintain. Lifting weights because it's a personal exercise in courage and discipline, for example, makes it way more likely to stick.

I'd also like to offer a tip on starting to exercise: start small. All my failed attempts at starting a gym routine in the past happened because I tried to make too big of a change too quickly. Instead of starting a whole new diet and exercise routine, I'd recommend finding ONE exercise that you'd like to get better at, and attempting to increase your numbers in that exercise over time. That's all. For me, it was the pullup. For you, it might be the pushup, or the squat, or the overhead press. It just needs to be something that you can increase over time. I started off being able to do just one pullup, and increased that number significantly over the next couple of months (here's another tip for increasing your reps of an exercise: google 'greasing the groove'). The great part of this approach is that the opportunity cost is extremely small — it takes maybe 10 minutes out of every day. So if you do decide that you want to try exercising again, I'd encourage you to forget complicated routines or schedules for now. Start as small as possible with a single activity, and focus on increasing the number over time.