Comment by staticelf | Hacker News Reader

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As a swede, I am unfortunately not surprised. While we have a surge in violent crimes mainly due to mass immigration this kind of shit gets pushed.

When I was young, explosions and gang criminality were extremely rare and uncommon but today it is unfortunately being more common. I have several friends, including me, that has been the victim of either threats or violence in the recent years but the perpetrators always walks free due to our incompetent police and justice system that doesn't even investigate even the most obvious crimes where the perpetrator is known.

Some examples:

- My uncle was beaten down and had to be in the hospital for tring to stop 3 people from stealing a bike. No further investigation.

- I am/was being threatned several times by a guy, which I reported to the police several times and they haven't even started to look at my case yet (this was several months ago). I am very certain that the preliminary investigation will be canceled.

- Several sexual crimes towards children isn't even being investigated due to "heavy work burden" [1]

The development is really pissing me off and I am even thinking about moving from Sweden since I often times don't feel secure anymore. If this bill gets through it is simply more proof how insane our politicians are. They don't give any reason to believe that they even care the slightest about civilians security, just the image of the country as a whole. This kind of legislation will be used in the same way the drug policies are used, they increase the statistics for the police to make it look like they solve a bunch of crimes when in reality they do not solve most crimes of importance.

[1]: https://translate.google.se/translate?sl=sv&tl=en&js=y&prev=...

> When I was young, explosions and gang criminality were extremely rare and uncommon

Are you sure about this? Crime has decreased significantly over the past decades in most countries. I also can't remember any crime from when I was young but my area was much more dangerous back then. But as a child, you don't notice subtle signs of crime and won't get beaten up because you try to prevent people from stealing a bike. And even if that happens to a family member I'm not sure parents tell their children the truth. But asking your parents won't help, memory is always biased, my memory of the area I lived in as a student is also much better than it deserved.

More communication by social media has probably also played a role, it's much easier to track crimes nowadays. But even where crimes were reported back then it's really hard to compare that unless you use official statistics.

Yes I am sure.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_grenade_attacks_in_Swe...

https://sverigesradio.se/sida/artikel.aspx?programid=1637&ar...

http://www.dagensjuridik.se/2017/09/sverige-i-topp-med-antal...

> In Germany [solved crimes involving shooting] they are close to 90 percent and in Finland more than 90 percent. In Sweden, as the firearm has increased, the level of clearance has also declined steadily since the late 90's.

But yeah, downvote me for stating facts.

The data is complex.

When it come to gang criminality, the biggest change was seen between 1990 and topping during 2010 (2015 was the immigration crisis). The government department for crime statistics (BRÅ) links the increase in blackmail and protection rackets to an increase in gang criminality, resulting in a report 2012 which describing a increase from 500 cases during 1990 to 2500 cases in 2010. [1]

BRÅ do not have data over explosives, but the raw data from the police gives 8 reported cases with hand grenades during 2014 and 52 for 2016. This is a large increase that did happen during the immigration crisis and is speculated to be connected, and the weapons themselves is tracked to Yugoslavia. [2]

For the anecdotal cases in the parent post, violence has both gone up and down in the last 10 years but it did go up between 2014 and 2016 by 28%, which is the highest point since 2007. There is a potential link here for immigration, but 2007 is not that long time ago so it could also be variation.[3]

Threats and harassment did also go up between 2014 and 2016 by 36% and is currently at the highest it ever been for the reported dataset. [4]

The clearing rate for sexual crimes has gone down and is at the lowest it ever been at 11% for rape, but this is a long lasting trend since 2009 where it was as high as 31%. The cause of this is a bit complicated since the number of charged criminals has remained the same and the number of reported cases has increased by almost 50%. There is no correlation to 2015 immigration crisis. [5]

[1] https://www.bra.se/download/18.1ff479c3135e8540b2980007523/1...

[2] https://www.svt.se/nyheter/lokalt/halland/handgranatsattacke...

[3] https://www.bra.se/brott-och-statistik/statistik-utifran-bro...

[4] https://www.bra.se/brott-och-statistik/statistik-utifran-bro...

[5] https://www.bra.se/brott-och-statistik/statistik-utifran-bro...

You forgot to mention how some of your best friends are immigrants.

An incompetent government and corrupt politicians can ruin anything. Including their own immigration policies by being dysfunctional and in the end boosting the anti-immigration forces on the other end of the political spectrum.

Interesting times.

Last time I checked, Sweden was ran pretty well and corruption was low.

There seems to be a vocal contingent of disenfranchised young white males with a sense of entitlement. Most of them will grow out of it, and any sane political environment is flexible enough to accommodate them in the meantime.

Like so many things, the Internet makes it seem interesting, but I'm not sure there will actually be "interesting times" ahead in the classical Chinese sense.

Sure its officially low, even though we just measured a new all time high in corruption. most of it will be hidden and institutionalized.

Imho these severe penalties on victimless crimes, based on foreign lobbying shows ... something, but it is not the will of the people, not independence, not justice, not really functional democracy.

Thanks for proving my point and making me more sure that I am correct. You can't be critical of developments that are statistically backed without being downvoted and ridiculed by the politically correct people.

If you really want to know, I am currently dating an immigrant but I do not have many friends that are immigrants.

There is nothing I can do or say, or not do and not say, that will make you less sure that you are correct. That's the whole extent of the problem.

Fortunately I don't have to. Statistically, at some point you're going to find something that is important in your life, and you will find out that, "Hey, Sweden is actually a pretty neat place to live!"

The goal of the "politically correct people" in the meantime is to call out racist bullshit for what it is, and hope other angry young people don't get caught up in the narrative.

> There is nothing I can do or say, or not do and not say, that will make you less sure that you are correct. That's the whole extent of the problem.

Isn't that very true for yourself as well? Even more true most likely since I rely on data and experience when I make my claims. Please point out what "racist bullshit" I have written for example. I know some of what I have written is anecdotes and of course not everyone will have been a victim of crimes but I still think it is interesting for non-Swedish people to read stories from people that actually have experienced crimes and the changes the society have undergone.

I have never once stated that Sweden is not a neat place to live, in fact, I very much like Sweden. But there is a big difference in liking a country and feeling secure, isn't it?

I have a lot of things I consider important in my life, but just because I do doesn't mean that I am blind to the changes I see in the society around me.

You haven't called out any racist bullshit, because what I have written is unfortunately not bullshit. It is very disrespectful of you to even claim that. In fact, you haven't called out anything except downvote and try to humiliate a person you don't agree with. You at least do a good job at that.

Ha, reminds me of another comment on HN. Someone pointed out statistics of recent crime rates somewhere in Sweden and another said something along the lines of "But that's still on the level of a typical American city."

Yes, like that is something positive. Sweden is becoming more and more like the US and that is something I do not like in most regards.

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