you got issues, mate. maybe talk to someone?
> We need common sense gun control.
like what? anything short of repealing the 2A makes no sense to me frankly. Perhaps it's time to just repeal it and possibly confiscate guns across the board.
No, the school/community he was at had issues. They didn't take bullying seriously, did nothing to prevent it and did nothing to punish it when it went too far.
It's the same here in Norway, a couple of kids committed suicide because of bullying, that got a lot of media coverage, but the situation doesn't seem to have changed. Politicians are still arguing about "what to do with bullies" and how to force them to change schools.
... And since Norway is unaccustomed to violence, I thought for long for myself that nothing's going to change until some bullied kid decides to take other's lives instead of his/her own.
but that definitely has left some psychological issues in him/her and so its definitely worth talking to someone, a professional, about this. People with suicidal / homicidal tendencies should definitely seek out help.
Get ready for a civil war then, because the US country side will not let the cities get their guns.
Some even seems to take pride in how they can't even talk reasonably to their relatives once a year.
People notice this and might not be very keen on cooperating with people who despise them.
Also maybe they've read history and knows what happens to unpopular unarmed people.
I get it though. My folks are from a village in India. We sometimes get shit on by city folks too. Some country folks like guns. But its not a "right".
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Amendment_to_the_Unit...
If its not a right, then the government can pass much stronger gun laws, including confiscations, etc. But still allows good citizens to own guns for hunting and stuff. Maybe even limit the number of guns per person, control the type of gun, etc. Just give enough so that country folks are happy with simple hunting rifles and cant do much damage.
The semantics are important because it illuminates the philosophy of rights and the Constitution, and perhaps that illumination may help you to understand how many people see it differently.
Right now they cannot because the constitution doesn't allow it. If you repeal 2A, then they (Congress) will be able to do much more about guns.
The Constitution is written from the opposite direction, that all power lies in the people and the Constitution is the mechanism by which we grant limited authority to the government. In fact, this was a big part of the debate around passing the Bill of Rights in the first place, that it would confuse this issue. Repealing the 1st Amendment would not remove our right to free speech. It would simply remove the codification of that right and we would revert to natural law which still would include free speech. In order for the government to infringe on our natural right to free speech we the people would have to pass an amendment explicitly granting the government the authority to do so. The same of course applies to the 2A.
This is essentially the philosophy of the founders and the limited government crowd you're going to be arguing against if you want to regulate guns.
I'm hoping that you'll see that this isn't just a semantic difference in the mechanism by which you might accomplish gun restrictions, but a deeper difference in the belief system around the philosophy of law. I'm not trying to change your mind about the 2A here, but to help you relate to the small government crowd with the way you talk about the law. You're not trying to revert a power granted to us by the government, you're trying to subvert natural law.
We have given up our natural right to kill another person. I am suggesting we should give up our natrual right to bear arms.
The idea with natural rights has always been that we have unlimited rights (and actually enumerating them can be problematic) but we give some up to live in a society where we can pursue life liberty and happiness.
I am saying Americans via their representatives should give up their right to bear arms, remove it from being enumerated, and then allow strong legislation that outlaws weapons just like we have done with murder. If an amendment is needed then so be it "Congress HAS the right to strictly control guns in order to protect life".
Does that make sense?
Yes, they are.
> The founders believed rights were natural.
They may have had a moral belief that certain rights were natural, and that may have been the basis for them incorporating the rights into the Constitution, but moral beliefs are not the same thing as material facts.
"We the people of the United States... do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America"
All powers, including the power to establish the Constitution in the first place, are derived from the people.
Section 8 explicitly lays out which powers we the people are granting to the government: borrow money, regulate commerce with foreign nations, establish a post office, etc.
If powers are not explicitly granted to the government, it doesn't have them.
A little nitpicking: in US it is actually a right.
It might seem weird for the rest of us but then again in their defense they never had a Srebrenica, an Auswich, a Rwanda in the last century so I guess it can be seen as an insurance:
They're paying a few lives every year to protect against genocides.
(And to be perfectly clear: I don't want that system here where I live, I just try to understand their situation.)
I see what you are getting at. But honestly, if the gov wants to do a genocide, they have tanks and bombers to do it. No AR15 will help against that anyway.
To control a population you need boots on the ground.
Unfortunately, many in the country seem to feel that America is White and Christian, and that’s just not a viewpoint that can be easily reconciled with more cosmopolitan city folks.
you are right. Maybe I should have mentioned. My intention was not to single out anyone but to talk to the people who actually attend HN.
Isn't it good that you didn't have access to guns? So why not just repeal the 2A?
Teaching gun culture and demanding gun safes (like it's done around here) would probably be a safer and more efficient route.
That can be done and the 2A can also be repealed (gun ownership doesnt need to be a "right"). Why not do both?
If it wasn't a right then it would suddenly be worthless in many districts.
Here's some middle ground:
Mandatory training. Around here it is provided by hunters organizations, often at cost price.
Background checks by police + recommendation by hunter organization or the equivalent of NRA.
I'm sure what's left of the government will act in the best interest of the entire country.
And surely all the guns will just cease to exist after our right to legally bear them is repealed. Gangsters, teenage boys, drug dealers, they will all happily turn in their guns and promise not to get any more.
Please, talk to someone (like a consuelor or a therapist) and work it out.
Bullies do exist. Sometimes, they teach you something, and sometimes they're just bullies. (I'm not excusing their behavior).
This is such an odd statement. The time is past, the actions have occurred; they cannot be redone. All that remains are your memories and emotions, which can be changed.
Everyone is different and no two people handle a situation in the same way.
Its too bad that you were unable to get good advice and/or consolation at the time. But maybe, with some counseling, or discussion with friends, you can revisit this bad experience and others and change how you feel about them and yourself.