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Go read the 100 page fisa court memo. Go read the numerous text messages, go reread how unmasking send incidental collection works.

Our intelligence services were weaponized to spy on the opposition party illegally during an election year.

Senior FBI, DOJ, and Obama white house officials have engaged in a coordinated attempt to prevent Trump from gaining office and once in office to mire his presidency in scandal and possibly even impeachment.

All the facts are coming to light, But most commenters here are letting the media completely filter their information.

Ill be surprised if my comment sees the light of day.

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I honestly haven't been following this very closely, but a lot of this feels like the kind of thing you'd see straight out of House of Cards, both what the contents themselves talk about and the decisions to release them. I wasn't able to find exactly what you're talking about, 100 page memo and all, but here's what I could find:

1) a 4-page memo[1] with a note from the white house on why they're releaseing this.

2) some text messages[2]

Some of it seems pretty damning, but I haven't personally done enough research to make a really informed opinion. I just wanted to put these links here to save anyone looking some trouble digging around for a starting point.

1: https://intelligence.house.gov/uploadedfiles/memo_and_white_...

2: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/gop-senator-releases-handful-of...

What?

So far everything that has come out has disproved all of the claims in the memo, including the memo itself!

And of course your comment won't get anywhere, you just made up a bunch of nonsense. For example, I read the text messages. I didn't know that a calendar of Putin is now Obama's conspiracy to destroy Trump. Those scoundrels!

If you really feel strongly about it, why don't you publish a write up and stick behind what you believe is something we should all hear about, rather than post uncited garble and tell us to read a 100 page court memo with a throwaway account.

What a massively ineffective conspiracy you've proposed. Can the deep state at the same time be all powerful but still let Trump get elected? The Nunes memo is nothing but hot air. There is no evidence of most of it's claims and it contradicts itself. It's little more than a political campaign ad.

>the opposition party

The fact you believe intelligence services have or should have opposition parties is terrifying. I can understand why this sentiment translates into believing intelligence services should or do fall under the President's direct control.

Intelligence services don't, but people working there certainly do. I.e. Strzok messages showed pretty clearly where his loyalties lie. Of course, everybody is entitled to their own opinions, but when one works in a position with vast coercive powers that can be deployed to tip the scales, having strong opinions towards one of the sides usually raises the question of conflict of interest.

==Strzok messages showed pretty clearly where his loyalties lie.==

They showed that he supported John Kasich. Your comment, however, shows pretty clearly where your loyalties lie.

My loyalties lie in FBI top brass not playing politics.

> They showed that he supported John Kasich.

Strzok – He asked me who I’d vote for, guessed Kasich. Page – Seriously?! Would you not D? Strzok – I don’t know. I suppose Hillary. Page – I would D.

Not exactly ringing endorsement of Kasich. Later:

Strzok - Exacty re Kasich. And he has ZERO appeal

Also:

Page - God Trump is loathsome human. Strzok – Yet he many win. Strzok – Good for Hillary. Page – It is. Strzok – Would he be a worse president than Cruz? Page –Trump?, yes I think so Strzok – I’m not sure. Strzok – Omg he’s an idiot. Page – He’s awful Strzok – America will get what the voting public deserves. Page – That’s what I’m afraid of.

Strzok – God Hillary should win. 100,000,000-0. Page – I know

Strzok – That Texas article is depressing as hell. But answers how we could end up with President trump Page – Wasn’t it? Seriously, how are people so incredible ignorant? Strzok – I have no idea, but it depresses me. Same people who drive more when they get extra daylight from daylight savings, I’m guessing.

Strzok – They fully deserve to go, and demonstrate the absolute bigoted nonsense of Trump

Strzok – God that’s a great article. Thanks for sharing. And F TRUMP.

And so on and so forth. I mean, there's nothing wrong with a person thinking "F TRUMP". Except when the person is also in charge of investigations that may actually "f Trump" and benefit his opponents. In this case, it might be better to actually have somebody with more balanced approach.

==In this case, it might be better to actually have somebody with more balanced approach.==

Do you have evidence that these texts ever had an impact on this agent's approach? Or are you just speculating to fog the entire discussion?

Did you have this same concern when Republicans were investigating Benghazi and later admitted it was explicitly meant to hurt Hillary politically? That doesn't seem like a "balanced approach" at investigation (https://www.cnn.com/2015/10/14/politics/hillary-clinton-beng...).

How about Guiliani talking about a "very big surprise" a few days before the Comey memo? Did he get that information from FBI agents? Again, doesn't seem like a "balanced approach" to me (http://www.businessinsider.com/giuliani-hinted-fbi-new-inves...).

I sure hope your outrage crosses the aisle.

Why would DOJ and FBI leaders appointed directly by Trump try to get him impeached?

And don't forget about Pizzagate too!

So I did read the original sources and the text messages, and they contain nothing like what you describe. Did you read them?

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