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"How much will it take to convince the average HN reader that sexism actually is everywhere?"

I presume those that think this way either have no female friends or have not asked them about it.

Men generally don't get catcalls or get their body fondled by strangers.

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Regarding catcalling.

Unfortunately it is one of those things that women and sometimes men will have to sacrafice if they want to live in a free country.

(See burkas)

That assumes they’re honestly representing their views, rather than marketing their prejudices as something more acceptable to the HN crowd.

Men generally don't catcall or fondle strangers' bodies either. It's a general projection, "why would anyone do that?".

> Men generally don't catcall or fondle strangers' bodies either.

But vastly more men catcall or grope women than the other way around. That's the issue.

> It's a general projection, "why would anyone do that?".

To assert power and dominance (both attributes that are part of the common definition of "masculinity" in western societies).

I believe it happens more to women. But ask an attractive male bartender or waiter. We shouldn't hand wave those abuses away either.

> But ask an attractive male bartender or waiter. We shouldn't hand wave those abuses away either.

Was a male bartender for nearly two years. I agree it happens from time to time that customers try to score with you, but it's really incredibly rare compared to the stuff my female colleagues had to endure (maybe twice over my career vs daily).

You say the last sentence like the concept of masculinity varies greatly among different societies. Are there any societies in the world where men aren't more assertive, aggressive, and power-seeking? I kind of thought they were fundamental psychological differences between men and women overall[1].

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_differences_in_psychology

Yet another thing that explains the obliviousness that people are mentioning.

Or as I’m saying, the 1 day old account is making an argument it thinks will be more acceptable to this audience rather than its real views.

I've been both sexually harassed at work and groped by strangers when out on the town (by a woman) - but yeah, I agree with your larger point. I think it's certainly more prevalent the other way around.

How did you feel?

Yeah... I still got it!

Something negative?

I got groped by some passing female tailgaters when I was just walking down the street minding my own business listening to a podcast. It was very startling.

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