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As a US citizen, it's wonderful getting into other countries with so little hassle.

The only annoying part is getting back into the US.

Going to the US is so bad an experience that I now choose not to. If I have to go to North America I arrange for it to be in Canada, and if I don't have to go then London does just fine. I personally feel that the experience is that bad, and that I have a choice.

When are you in a situation where you "have to go to North America", but where it still makes sense to choose Canada instead of the US?

Flights from central america to europe often have connecting flights in the US - and, unlike Canada and most of the rest of the world, the US requires people to pass through US Customs & Immigration to change airplanes.

In the rest of the world - you simply stay in the secure international area of the airport, and never have to deal with customs & immigration until you land in your destination.

When I have meetings with multiple NA-based people who are already spread out and already have to fly to one place.

We used to do Seattle, Chicago or NYC. Now we nearly always do Toronto, and occasionally Vancouver. No-one objects to my having set the location north of the border, and the Hong Kong attendee greatly prefers it too (for the same reason, though he has extra hassle at immigration).

Speaking of Toronto, there's a ridiculously good restaurant there. One worthy of saving up for months in advance... North 44. If you get the chance go.

I have to agree with this. Landing in the US on an international flight is always the worst part of the trip.

1. Taking so long to get my bags, then getting them re-scanned, that I miss/almost miss the connector

and/or

2. answering 20 questions to the customs officer

I've had part 2 vary a lot, from being interrogated by a suspicious customs officer, to being asked one or two half-assed questions by a very bored one.

so true and that's the USC/Permanent resident line, how about that visitors line...

That actually varies as well. Typically one would expect the USC line to always go much faster, and it usually does, but sometime a flight is just full of USC/PR passangers and not many visitors, so you get the opposite effect (happened to me twice).

Also now they fingerprint and photograph permanent residents. So what used to be "Hello!" + 2 questions now is "Hello!" + 5 questions + fingerprinting + photographing.

But, hey we all feel safer, right !?

really? i haven't had much of a problem (edit: or rather, not much more of a problem than the process required to enter in the other country). but i've also never had much to declare, either.

I haven't traveled that extensively, but every time I've entered a Schengen country with nothing to declare, I've been able to walk right in after getting my passport stamped.

Every time I've returned to the US, however, I've had to go through an exhaustive baggage screening and pat-down before I could even board the plane, and then stand in line for half an hour in Immigration once I got back, filling out an entire form to declare that I have nothing to declare, and answering random identity-verifying questions from an immigration officer. I feel tired and uncomfortable just thinking about it.

i haven't either, but my experiences were actually the opposite.

i usually get searched when entering a foreign country because i have snacks on me or something. i usually have very little hassle when returning to the US, never been searched (knock on wood).

I'm one of those lucky people that is apparently innocent-looking enough that I never get messed with by customs. And I've been through lots of weird customs checkpoints.

Returning to the US you have to fill out that annoying form on the plane but other than that it's just a rubber stamp

Experience getting back into us after a vacation during financial meltdown of 2008-2009

Immigration "officer": Are you sure you still have your job at the bank.

Me: yes

Immigration "officer": If that turns out to be false we will kick you out like dogs

The sad part is. There is nothing you can say to that. You cannot argue with them. The best you can do is not say anything and take his abuse.

Returning from Oslo, Norway Immigration officer: Why were you visiting Norway? Me: I was there visiting some friends. Immigration officer: Why do you have friends in another country, sir?

China is similar. I had to act like I was entering the country and leaving right after just for a transfer flight/layover. They're the only place that detected the belt buckle and cared about shaving razors.

For a country that generally does a great job of customer service the experience you get as a foreigner entering the place is awful.

I just recently returned to the US and for the first time got to go through the citizen's/residents line (Green card holder), and the difference between the two was unbelievable. This time round, the queues were a fraction of the size, the immigration officers were friendly (as opposed to being outright rude to visitors) and the whole process was incredibly simple and quick. The difference is striking, and I'm certain it's not just me - visiting family always complain about how long immigration takes.

This doesn't jibe with my experience as a Canadian H1B visa holder who's flown into the US over a dozen times over the past 6 years. I've never found US customs agents to be rude; they are always courteous and often friendly. FWIW I usually fly into LAX so I wonder if your experience differs depending on where you enter.

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