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I guess it’s easier in Sweden which is not especially diverse. Also it’s worth noting that these are convictions so will be missing any unreported violence, or that police didn’t follow up on, or that got off on technicalities

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Sweden is pretty ethnically diverse these days and is far more sensitive about race than the US is.

EDIT: But for that period it was not as much, that is true.

Good point. Any similar studies from more diverse countries?

This study is not as comprehensive but in 30-state USA study, 77% of prisoners are jailed again within 5 years of release:

https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/press/rprts05p0510pr.cfm

Not really surprising, you must consider that most of our jails and prisons are like criminal universities. Most barely offer any rehabilitation, if at all, but people can learn about how to be better criminals from other criminals.

Sweden is as diverse as the US, or more so.

Well, it has had a massive influx of Middle Easterners in recent years but this study dates from 2004.

Actually in terms of other more diverse countries like the UK and USA probably not just seems a lot as Sweden had virtually zero BME migration until recently.

Not even close. The vast majority of Sweden is ethnic Swedes. The big minority group is ethnic Finns. 87% of the country is Lutheran (as of 2012). In the US, probably no ethnic group (e.g. Irish or English) has more than 20%.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_ranked_by_...

Check out the list based on Alesina’s analysis.

Or go to Sweden. In the younger population groups, muslims are now are huge minority.

That index lists Canada as more diverse than the US, which is definitely false having been to both.

Online sources suggest about 30% of Stockholm is non-Swedish, and most of those people are European. New York and Chicago are only about 30-35% European descent, and that’s mixed between Irish, German, Swedish, English, etc.

English, German, Irish, swedish descent = Christian, white population, all speaking English as a first language, all from similar cultures.

It’s way more diverse in Sweden. I lived in NYC, and have travelled a lot in Sweden. Nowadays, large Swedish cities are much more diverse.

Even if you lump all the european people together, the fact remains that Stockholm is probably 80% European and New York City is less than 30% European.

But NYC’ black or latino population is (mainly) Christian and mainly speaks Englsh

Canada ranks highly on these lists partly because they have a large population group that speaks a second national language and were relatively serious about independence.

For whatever reason that objective "diversity" doesn't seem diverse to some people.

They also seem to have more but smaller (as a percentage of the total) ethnic groups than the US. Again, while mathematically more diverse than a big chunk of African or Latin-Americans, people seem to view this as less diverse.

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