When will the world reach 'peak child'?
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Looking at overall birth rates might make it seem that way. But logically, in order to hit peak child, every subgroup will also have to hit peak child. Will every single country hit peak child? Will every religious group hit peak child? All it takes is one of those groups to keep expanding, and the world will not hit peak child. There are so many subgroups with drastically different birth rates and retention rates, I don't believe we will hit peak child. There will just be a transition period as the world starts to contain fewer Italians and more Mormons.
For an interesting take on a single subgroup's demographics, the Amish, check out this article: https://medium.com/migration-issues/how-long-until-were-all-...
This is an interesting argument; thanks for sharing it. I didn't understand it right away and my intuition was that you must be incorrect. But after playing with some actual numbers I've come to understand. In an attempt to restate your claim in a way that's more intuitive to me:
If a group is reproducing above the replacement ratio, then they haven't hit peak child yet. So if only one subgroup remains that hasn't hit peak child, then that subgroup is also the only one that's growing (all others are shrinking). Assuming that trend continues (read: assuming subgroups have birth rates that reflect their culture, and that culture will be preserved in the next generation), this subgroup will grow without bound.
The pressure-release on a system like this (one which the article you linked points out in its conclusion) is that birthrate within a subgroup isn't fixed. The birthrate among the Amish appears to be declining slightly, perhaps influenced by economic forces in the US. In your example, while it's true that _tommorow_ there will be more Mormons and fewer Italians than today, that doesn't guarantee that eventually the world will be populated entirely by Mormons, because the birthrate in that subgroup isn't wholly 'inherited' (in the cultural sense) -- it may change in ways that we can't forecast today.
No, it just has to make less children than it did eighteen years before.
Well yeah, obviously as long as the population keeps growing [1] (and for that it is sufficient that a subgroup does indeed), there can not be a peak child.
I was assuming that the article posited the existence of a population peak in the future, and was speculating about how many years would it be preceded by a child peak.
1. or rather, renew generations, since the population can grow without renewing generations.
Not really, because subgroup membership is flexible: people can enter and leave a subgroup. But even ignoring that objection, calculating that the Amish will eventually outnumber everyone else is a crazy bad extrapolation, whereas predictions of world population are based on much more modest and justified extrapolations.
If you took some old population data you could perhaps extrapolate that Shakers were destined to increase exponentially, but what happened to them? I'd say that the destiny of a single religious group is typically a short-term and local phenomenon that doesn't much affect the long-term development of world population.
Proof: Assume the opposite, that there is a subgroup S that never hits a maximum amount of children, but the overall population has a maximum amount of children X. Since S does not hit a maximum amount of children, S at some point has more than X children. This contradicts the initial assumption. QED
By the same token, if a certain group keeps reproducing at a high pace, but the majority of the world keeps having fewer and fewer children, the overall number of children will decrease, so the curve will be past the peak.
Tracking changes in religious beliefs in different demographics can give us some good predictive insight.
I.e., suppression of women in extreme sects of Christianity and Islam.
I just yesterday searched github to investigate female employers of the likes of google and microsoft. A significant amount of them were Chinese or Indian. It's really about how much resources a country invests in free (university level) education.
Saudi Arabia has been complaining to the EU about extremist views being taught in European mosques.
The formal one or what Saudis find Extreme? If it is the latter, then Saudis’ complaints would be laughable and ironic since their Human Rights’ record isn’t what anyone would laud them for.
If somebody from Finland thinks your country is too cold in the winter, your country is absurdly cold.
I don't disagree that there are some extremist Muslims in Germany, but I don't think that there are enough extremists to explain the large disparity in fertility between Muslims and non-Muslims.
So a religious sect, extremely outside the mainstream also sees fertility declines in line with the rest of the population around them.
What we have seen in the different projections of future global population is that Africa is the most influential and contentious. What happens in Africa now and in the coming decades will determine what size and structure the global population will have at the end of the century.18
It seems less certain what the future for Africa will look like; there is considerable disagreement between UN and WC-IIASA projections. Even the medium projections vary significantly between the two institutions: The UN projects a population of 4.5 billion while WC-IIASA projects a population of only 2.6 billion. This difference of 2 billion is just as large as the difference between the projection for the global population by the UN (11.2 billion in 2100) and WC-IIASA (8.9 billion in 2100). Whether the world population increases to more than 10 billion will be decided by the speed with which Africa develops – especially how quickly women get access to better education, women's opportunities within the job market, and how rapidly the improvements in child health continue.
It's really quite astounding. If the UN's predictions are accurate, Africa's population will soar to 4.5 billion, with the Sub-Saharan part alone accounting for 4 of that 4.5 billion. Which means tens or even hundreds of millions of migrants flooding Western nations, making the current crisis seem like a drizzle when compared with this storm looming off in the distance.
You would think this would be major news, discussed openly and often by the talking heads on cable news networks and given front page billing by major newspapers. Instead, you hear virtually nothing about it, unlike (for example) Peak Oil.
Though not as famous as other dystopian novels like 1984 or Brave New World, this might yet prove to be the most prophetic: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camp_of_the_Saints
So we know the solution, whether the world or locals are willing to implement them are another question.
I don't think there is any way the world remains livable with 12 billion aspirational consumers.
China did what they had to do, India is doing things a bit differently.
If Westerners were serious about staving off a mass of immigrants they'd work to improve the situations where the migrants originate. That would mean a cessation to mercantilism and colonialism and likely a decline in the quality of life but surely that's a small price to pay
All it takes is one tiny subpopulation with more than 2 kids per woman, and you get exponential growth. Exponential growth conquers all. If you have a computer science background, think back to big-O notation. Having 4 kids per woman (thus 2 per person) is a growth rate that doubles the population every generation.
So, do the Amish exist? Yes they do. That alone ensures that growth will not stop. Even if everybody else decided to not reproduce, we'd be well above the current world population after a few centuries.
There's an essential factor missing from this assumption: sustained birthrate above replacement.
I realise you probably intended to mean that, but it's an important distinction because there are at least a few other important factors at play.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sovereign_states_and_d...
It doesn't seem like there is a rich country, say with GDP over 25K that has replacement levels of fertility.
That isn't encouraging.
Look at the list of countries by GDP growth and sort for the highest ones. Most of them are poor.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(real...
Mobile phones, payment systems that avoid corrupt banks like m-pesa and the internet are really helping these places.
In addition education is shooting up:
https://ourworldindata.org/global-rise-of-education
In 1950 60% of the world was illiterate, today it's less than 20.
Have a look at how fertility rates can drop when people get richer and governments allow some fertility control. In the Islamic Republic of Iran fertility rates dropped from about 6 per woman in 1980 to below replacement in 2005.
https://www.google.com.au/publicdata/explore?ds=d5bncppjof8f...
Given (1), a few thousand skyscraper farms are enough to support the food needs of our entire planets population. When I did the calculation, I was surprised how little it actually takes.
For (2), the simplistic pure capitalism and pure communism experiments have clearly failed but there are various "in-between" experiments running (northern Europe, Xi Jiping's China, Singapore etc) which seem to be heading to both individual and societal prosperity.
It's difficult to see now of course because Africa is more unstable and fragmented than East Asia. But a lot of countries in Subsaharian Africa are not worse off than China in the 1990s and have a promising gdp growth rate (not as big as China yet, though)
The problem of most countries that people flee from is not lack of resources, but inadequate government. People flee to countries that are better governed and thus more prosperous.
The West and the East will both be somewhat impoverished (relatively speaking, not in an absolute sense) by aging and shrinking workforces. They'll be desperate for workers from Africa.
Highly educated Africans will likely be as welcome as highly educated everyone else.
In the poster boy of overpopulation, Bangladesh, the fertility rate dropped from 6.2 children to 2.1 children per mother (https://www.ft.com/content/f60e2ddc-0bbc-11e1-9861-00144feab...). No Asian country today has fertility rate above 2.5 AFAIK (except maybe the Philippines).
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/millennials-say-no-to-kids...
- The world has probably not reached 'peak child' yet. However, we are likely very close to a long flat peak; the number of children in the world will not increase much more. We are close to the peak.
- A key insight from projections, under different scenarios, is that the number of children in the long-run will depend on how successful the world will be in providing education – in particular to women – in the short-run. This is because women that are better educated tend to have fewer children. If we are successful in providing accessible education for all in the near-term, there will be fewer children – and therefore less demand for education – in the future.
- In the last part of this post I will discuss how the size of the population will change in different world regions. Crucial will be the African continent: fast development in Africa will slow down population growth, whereas slow development would leave African countries in an extended period of fast population growth. The latter scenario could see the African population growing 5-fold over the 21st century.
There's really no alternative path I can see. One could put it at urbanized, cosmopolitan women aren't interested in child birth unless there are positive options.
I mean, first people thought China's one-child policy was reducing childbirth but a close look and efforts to dial showed the decisions were fairly well set.
Brazil didn't have to have an education outreach program. Ordinary TV was enough to reduce the reproduction rate.
And a variety of nations are looking at their negative reproduction rates (Japan, Taiwan, Russia, France, China etc) and finding there's no easy reversal. It's more like high reproduction are an exception in society's transitioning out of peasantry but after that, it goes down and doesn't go up again.
Its almost like making and raising kids is a full time job, and in places where you have better alternatives to making no money and hoping the fruits of your labor support you 30 years down the line people would rather have a career.
The day you reverse the reproduction rates in countries where they are negative is the day you recognize parenting as a skill worthy of as much credence as teachers, lawyers, or plumbers.
I find this highly unlikely. There is huge selection pressure in favor of any population that is resistant to whatever is causing the general decrease in fertility.
One example is the Amish. For quite a while, now, their population doubles every 20 years. So far they've managed to maintain their fertility, where other notoriously high fertility populations who are less culturally isolated have not.
There are lots of things that seem to reduce the rate. We can consider education, birth control, taxes, child support, alimony, custody laws, religion, heathcare costs, daycare costs, education costs... and in the end it doesn't matter one bit.
None of that can possibly matter in the long run because the chance of having more offspring than normal is inheritable. You might point at birth control and ask how that fits in, but your ability and willingness/desire to use it is a mental trait that is at least partially inheritable.
There is no escape from evolution.
Think of it this way, given what you know of class dynamics and sexual selection in humans, if your child had the choice of selecting between one in a random assortation, without knowing which was which, which one would be advantaged and why?
First: 56 kids, or 8 kids
Second: 196 kids, or 4 kids
Third: 686 kids, or 2 kids
Fourth: 2401 kids, or 1 kid
Fifth: 8403 kids, or extinction
Now, your idea that a child of a large family of 7 is less reproductively fit isn't going to help the low-reproduction families at all. They go extinct; they are thus clearly unfit. Unless the high reproduction families are losing about 5 of every 7 to early death, their population grows exponentially.
In reality, there are not separate islands. The resource exhaustion caused by the high-rate families will not just affect them. Everybody is effected. Even if the high-rate families are more affected, it isn't likely to stop them and anyway there is no saving the low-rate families from extinction.