The rise and fall of 18F
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1) 18F positions are filled in 2 year terms (Schedule A), with the possibility of a two year extension. 18F is about four years old and many people are terming out. My impression is that most people enjoy the work and would prefer to stay, they just can't.
2) Backfilling positions was severely hurt by the hiring freeze. That's been frustrating, but that's not specific to 18F or a judgement on 18F's work.
3) Recent changes in leadership disappointed many people because we appeared to be getting into a good rhythm. But the new commissioner loves the work we're doing and is planning to grow the team by 100 new people - bringing us back to peak levels.
Are there challenges? Sure. But there are challenges at every organization and the challenges of 18F are complex and interesting. I love my job and I am working with incredible colleagues. The projects themselves are fascinating and we get to wrestle with complex problems. We lead with technology, but the goal is usually to transform the way an agency or department works. That's massive! The pay is actually pretty good: GS-15 is $164,200 for Bay Area, which is not the highest, but we're hardly struggling.
Don't you need a Ph.D. for most GS-15 jobs though?
As an aside (apologize for the semi humble-brag), I get a lot of mileage out of the fact that I'm the only person who was a GS-1 than many people have ever met, considering if one has a HS diploma, one is automatically a GS-2 :)
Then in order to fill the vacancies created by that (and attrition since so much of the federal workforce is retiring every year) they've basically just grabbed anyone with a pulse who applied.
Any vacancy (18F may be different) left open too long results in losing the position completely. So they have to fill them or risk never being able to fill it in the future.
Why does 18F do contract positions only? Why not W2? The article does mention the 2 year terms, but doesn't explain why.
This isn’t a bad thing. I’ve worked in (not fed) .gov for many years. Most government jobs are structured as career jobs, not gigs or places for mid/high level individual contributors to land.
When you want more senior talent with specific skill sets, you need contractors or short term appointed people who work for the government, but don’t have all of the rights or need to climb the ladder that career employees do.
https://www.opm.gov/policy-data-oversight/hiring-information...
In short, the shiny object that was 18F had a really hard time doing its job of integrating with the resistant, crusty old pillars of Federal Agency policy and technology.
Anything the gummint does pretty much needs to scale immediately to 400 million users, can never experience a data breach, and needs to stay available constantly, possibly for decades, or maybe even forever.
The loss of the 1890 census records by fire is still significant today. If every copy of the quarterly reports for GE from 1982 were lost, the impact would be much smaller. The current cloud service offered commercially today are plenty good enough for even some of the hugest public companies, but not quite good enough for an entity with vastly different goals and needs. The different flavor of requirements might mean that private sector business will never offer a suitable class of service. Currently, some agencies run their own data centers, so the necessary expertise certainly exists, but that is not currently contributing in any way to a common infrastructure.
18F was a crucial step in modernizing our infrastructure and attracting people to work for their government who would normally never touch this Byzantine nonsense with a 10 foot pole.
God bless the people still in the government fighting for good tech.
Developing on top of these systems is extremely difficult and has lead to many high profile budget overruns-- Sometimes to the tune of hundreds of millions of dollars. Keep in mind that the head of Social Security was actually called in front of congress to explain how things got so bad [1], and the prospect of using modern development processes seems like a pretty good idea.
[1] https://www.cbsnews.com/news/social-security-it-project-cost...
This isn't a fedgov pathology. It's a business process reality. Unit tests, version control and package management are nice to have, but 3 decades of reliably executed business process are more important.
https://www.cnn.com/2016/07/05/politics/veterans-administrat...
You want to see chaos and calamity? Rewrite all those applications, or even a significant fraction of them, with modern processes. See what happens.
There’s a healthy balance between shiny object syndrome and jdk1.1 projects. Cloud isn’t bleeding edge. It was 10 years ago though.
It may take a few years for a shift in power to occur which results in better funding, but the momentum they have already built has inspired myself as well as many others, and I consider that to be a great success.
Code For America and 18F: Thank you for your many sacrifices, don't be discouraged. Keep it up.
Looks like folks can be.
If everyone’s contracts run out after 24 months, and you can’t re-hire them, of course you’ll lose 50% of employees in 12 months.
18F's problem is that the appeal of government work is in benefits other than salary: solid health coverage, a pension, job security. But those are really only of interest if you're planning on staying there long term, and 18F's pitch has always been "take a year or two off from your real job and come work with us." It's the Peace Corps for techies, and nobody joins the Peace Corps for the retirement plan.
* Job security only for your 2 year term (unless you renew by another 2 for a max of 4 years). After that, you need to leave government service
* Health care coverage was similar to major tech companies in the Bay Area. However, vision / dental benefits were worse.
* Pension benefits only start after 3 years of government service, so most working for 18F will likely not receive these.
But I agree that for other government positions these are good perks.
[+] I'm aware that USDS and 18F are independent branches.
Of course given the compensation and maximum length of tenure I imagine that most people are not doing it for the money.
Also, "hundreds of thousands" is a gross exaggeration. Most software engineers nationwide don't make that to begin with.
YMMV of course, but even without a clearance you are selling yourself short here.
Is it hard to believe that some are going to be hitting more than $200k above the 18F numbers?
Note that we're comparing the absolute max for GS employees to the average at Facebook.
"Some people at Facebook" is a much smaller set than "quite a few private sector jobs", which the statement GP was responding to.
Perhaps GP misread "quite a few private sector jobs" as "most private sector jobs"?
I've commented on the who's hiring thread about the US Digital Service's post. GS-15 base pay doesn't seem so bad, but drug testing, no relocation stipend (work from DC only), and no bonuses were all pretty big black marks.
Regardless of DC median wages, housing is very expensive to be reasonably close to where you'd be working onsite for 18F or USDS assignments.
Pay was about similar to Twitter (not counting sizable stock based compensation and bonuses, so of course a big pay cut all in all). Pay was significantly better than startups. When I worked at Google I was leveled quite low, so the comparison wouldn't be fair.
Zero perks (no free coffee, etc). Retirements benefits only kick in after 3 years of government service.
I definitely didn't join 18F for money. I was in for the mission and potential impact. I also liked the idea of being able to move around the country if necessary while keeping the same job.
This is . . . bad?
But in the larger scheme, this is bad, since it seemed like 18F was actually making some headway in improving the government's use of internet technology.
To the extent that even Trump's administration is focused on that, I can support it. However, the evidence I've seen so far strongly suggests to me that it's not.
In government, “in service to the American people" in the mission of an agency means, in practice, “in service to the priorities of the current political leadership”.
Notionally, democratic accountability should make the latter approximate the former, but in practice results are quite mixed.
Now you could look at improvements we might make to the VA at this time and oppose them, saying that any improvements we make to the government during a Trump administration legitimizes his administration and priorities.
As for me, I've had enough of that. It's the "party of 'no'" all over again. If you think the 18F is doing something specifically nefarious, name it. Otherwise, if something is a benefit to the American people, I support 18F, the Digital Service, or whoever taking it on--and I suspect that most of their work falls into this relatively uncontroversial category.
But what seems to be happening is neither of those, but just general neglect. But that is kind of par for the course in this Administration when the office isn't one with enough connection to hot-button partisan issues to be the target of outright malice.
Also, it looks like the leadership issues come from the fact that the leader(s), despite declaring themselves to be apolitical, were very much political (they just expected their policy to win so they can pose as apolitical while doing exactly what they wanted), got triggered by Trump being elected and rage-quit the job. Which is entirely within their rights, nobody is obligated to work for Trump or the govt, especially if they hate the guy, but it's not exactly a sign of problems within 18F as such.
A 2015 blog post about "The difference between 18F and USDS": https://ben.balter.com/2015/04/22/the-difference-between-18f...
> The [Presidential Innovation Fellows] program was a success, and soon after a group called 18F was created within the General Services Administration (GSA) not only to house the PIFs, both physically and bureaucratically, but also to continue and augment their efforts — to centralize forward-thinking technologists in government under one administrative umbrella, and to provide a vehicle for change that wasn’t tied so closely to the administration and the highly political world in which it operates on a daily basis
>Keverw: I wonder how the USDS is different than the 18F?
>>Matt_Cutts: USDS and 18F serve in pretty different roles. USDS often comes in when there's a crisis or a high presidential priority, because the organization sits in the office of the President. 18F is located in the General Services Administration and is especially strong when looking at the medium- to long-term goals of an organization [continues]
As a result, I get a useless tooltip when placing the cursor almost anywhere on the page.
Trump seems pretty adept at using the power of technology to act as a lever - look at the power of his Twitter usage for example.
Doing things more efficiently is a threat to that worldview, so it must be stopped.
Reagan's "Nine Most Terrifying Words" quip (I'm from the government and I'm here to help) dates back to August 1986, so this was already a well-entrenched enough view that a sitting president could express it during a news conference[0] — and more state that he's "always felt" that way and that all attendees would know about it. And AFAIK no one batted an eye.
The reality is that it's always been a strong overcurrent of american conservatism and the GOP, it went under during the New Deal period (Eisenhower was a new deal-er despite being a republican) but resurged into the 50s alongside people like Goldwater, who pined for the days of the Hoover administration (whom Goldwater considered a friend).
It's closer to five decades; to be honest, the Republicans have been something of a party of moneyed industrial interests since not long after the Civil War, but that didn't start transitioning into being really anti-government until they were up against Roosevelt and the New Deal Coalition, which promoted something of a realignment which made both parties more ideological and less regionally focussed. And the anti-government focus came into even more sharp relief after LBJ signed on to federal civil rights legislation, which led to the Republican Southern Strategy to reorient policy to pick up disaffected Southern Racists. To avoid overtly racist appeals, this largely focussed on anti-government appeals against federal policy.
But, while it understates the case in one sense, the “two decades” comment may be right in another: while the general orientation of the party has been in that direction for closer to five decades, the realignment between the parties was still a gradual thing, and it wasn't until the mid-1990s that the realignment had reached the point where that was hthr clear and consistent orientation of the party to which there was no significant dissent from major office holders, where it had passed from the usual stance of the party to the unquestionable dogma of the party.
Actually, Republicans voted for the Voting Rights and Civil Rights acts at a higher propensity than Democrats did. Neither would have gone anywhere without substantial Republican support, including for cloture.
Thanks, Wikipedia.
Now, the Republican policies take less than has previously been taken from the rich, and take more than has previously been taken from the middle-class and poor, but not just yet, so it actually increases the deficit by a trillion dollars in order to make it more palatable.
So, yes, the Republican policy as exemplified in what they actually pass is to transfer money to the rich and borrow money to do so.
Republicans do transfer money to the rich. And they do it hand-in-hand with the Democrats. They will even do it right in front of your face, as they are claiming to be transferring money to the poor.
Where, pray tell, do you think all that annual budget actually goes? Most of it isn't ending up in the pockets of the people actually doing the work that the money is ostensibly buying. Military spending is not going into soldier's paychecks. Medicare and Medicaid spending is not going to physicians and nurses. There is an entire ecosystem of middlemen that do little more than subtract the politics and volatility out of the government money and turn it into a reliable cash flow. For this, they keep a fraction. It is every bit as legit as the finance wizards on Wall Street that can turn market chaos into investment-grade securities by mathematically separating risks from returns, and the people doing it with gummint dosh can get just as rich.
It is entirely due to the semi-privatization of government services. Rich people grow richer by operating a privately-owned business that serves only one customer, who frequently asks them to name their own price, and then doesn't bother to haggle or shop around.
For every young genius that strikes the jackpot with a unicorn startup, there are hundreds of banal and unremarkable suit-fillers reaping mere millions just from knowing a guy that knows a guy with an inside line on appropriations, and from having enough money to credibly submit a contract proposal.
[1] http://www.businessinsider.com/employee-retention-rate-top-t...
(Source: https://18f.gsa.gov/join/)
And move 17 blocks west to F&35?
I mean, the name is already not too well designed I'd say.