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Last fall:

> A telling blow should be dealt to them who have not yet come to senses after the launch of our ICBM (intercontinental ballistic missile) over the Japanese archipelago

> Let’s reduce the U.S. mainland into ashes and darkness. Let’s vent our spite with mobilization of all retaliation means which have been prepared till now

> [The U.S. should be] beaten to death like a rabid dog

> The four islands of the archipelago should be sunken into the sea by the nuclear bomb of Juche. Japan is no longer needed to exist near us

It was not conditional. These were in response to support of UN security counsel sanctions following the ICBM launched over Japan.

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Is the full statement available? I managed to figure out that the statement was issued by North Korea's Asia-Pacific Peace Committee and the quotes you mentioned are found in countless articles but I failed to find the full statement.

I also unfortunately failed to find the original statement in full :(

Let me know if you find it.

So just like threats that have been made by US on various occasions for various independent countries, e.g.:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2006/sep/22/pakistan.usa

>It was not conditional. These were in response to support of UN security counsel sanctions following the ICMB launched over Japan.

If they were in response, they sure sound like conditional then.

So it appears you live in western europe, and you aren't concerned about north korea because there's no immediate threat, even though millions might die in US. Well, maybe you will have some empathy if after america falls, North Korea decides to target europe with russia.

I indeed live in Western Europe, and I'm more concerned with the pissing game between the US and NK than with the NK alone (which minds its own business generally and is isolationist). France had attacked them in the 19th century, and the US went to war with Korea in the 50s (with French support), not the other way around.

Their playing with fire and pissing match with Islam (including pissing whole populations, funding rogue groups, and their favorite regimes in the region) has already costs all of us dearly, including in Europe. Heck, we still have an influx of desperate peoples from every country they destabilized in the past 10-15 years.

Say what you want about colonial European powers, but scum as it were, it still managed to control 2/3rds of the globe with much more nuance and diplomacy than the barbarians at the other side of the Atlantic.

>Well, maybe you will have some empathy if after america falls, North Korea decides to target europe with russia.

I also don't read many fairy tales presented as political analysis.

Since you appear to have created this account for political and national battle, which is against the rules of this site, I've banned it. If you don't want to be banned, you're welcome to read https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and email hn@ycombinator.com.

Conditional on a non-military action which had already taken place.

"Already taken place" is not crucial, as the conditional can obviously be placed on it continuing.

Plus, an action like an embargo or sanction can be devastating to a country while still being "non-military". That old BS embargo on Iraq has claimed hundreds of thousands lives for example [1].

In fact, what we do have now is that "non-military" action happening, and no counter-response. So, it's more like them sucking up and taking it, with some verbal threats added to save face.

[1] https://www.theguardian.com/theguardian/2000/mar/04/weekend7...

I concede the point, nuclear strikes on the US and Japan are reasonable responses.

> So just like threats that have been made by US

Maybe. Irrelevant to the evidence you asked for though.

> https://www.theguardian.com/world/2006/sep/22/pakistan.usa

(1) That was actually conditional on future Pakistani decisions. (2) That was a remark by an assistant secretary of state, and the president rejected it.

> If they were in response, they sure sound like conditional then.

Everything governments ever do is conditional by that standard.

>Everything governments ever do is conditional by that standard.

Not really, the more shameless governments can do stuff that's entirely unprovoked, and that concerns stuff thousands of miles away from their borders.

The colonial conquest of India, for example, wasn't conditioned on some threat or action from India against the UK.

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