How Schopenhauer’s thought can illuminate a midlife crisis
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I was sitting in my car looking at a stop sign the other day, and all of the sudden it started shaking uncontrollably. Immediately I knew it must be a child shaking it, as there was simply no other possibility. No other person would just stand there and shake a street sign for no purpose beyond its' own sake. There is no benefit, no reward, no ultimate reasoning beyond 'I want to shake this street sign". As I looked down, I was right, and the kid was grinning like crazy.
We lose the ability to think like that as adults. It's not even that we have the thought and then consciously decide against it; we're incapable of even conceiving it. To just 'play' in life. And I think it's the most important aspect of our humanity. It is the very genesis of all our innovative and creative ideas, yet we treat it as something to be expelled in the process of "growing up".
i wholeheartedly disagree - you simply fall out of the habit of it. when i was in college i had a lot of sleepless nights and i wandered around campus "pulling on doorknobs". yes sometimes i got into places that i shouldn't have been but that's besides the point: i got back into the habit of touching things and experimenting. this was almost a decade ago now and i still pull on doorknobs, kick sign posts, peak through construction site barriers (nyc is perfect for this because every construction site fence has portholes). really of course the problem is obvious: people that don't think it's cute/funny/interesting are really put off by it (social pressure). young kids have less of that mediating their experience of their world (that's the key)
I don't try random doorknobs because I wouldn't want people intruding on my space if I happened to leave a door unlocked by accident -- the fact that kids (and some adults apparently) don't think through such things is not some sort of admirable trait.
I don't shake sign posts for fun because I've had to fix enough things in my life that I know how actions like that can weaken or destroy an object that most people consider very durable (or indestructible) and therefore would amount to vandalism for the sake of "fun".
this is going to seem roundabout but bear with me.
here is a video of tourists lamenting the drowning of a zebra foal
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RAHysptvEfo
i can't fathom the subjecthood of the person wishing someone would interfere (this is a savannah in subsaharan africa presumably - there is no such thing as fair - it's a completely unintelligible notion). now it sounds like a young girl doing the lamenting so it makes sense that i can't relate.
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>the fact that kids (and some adults apparently) don't think through such things is not some sort of admirable trait.
i can't fathom your subject that you so miss the point that it is exactly this childhood naivete that the op is commenting on. of course children don't think through such things - they're children! they have no sense of property or privacy (nor should they!). this is exactly what op is saying he misses.
besides that the sentence as written is essentially the negation of op's and so adds nothing. it doesn't suggest why it's important that no one intrude on your space, it doesn't explain why it's important for people to have private spaces, it doesn't explore anything. it's literally a no to a yes.
>I don't shake sign posts for fun because I've had to fix enough things in my life that I know how actions like that can weaken or destroy an object that most people consider very durable (or indestructible) and therefore would amount to vandalism for the sake of "fun".
you can choose to ascribe malice or mischief to everything that's the slightest destructive, you are free to do so, but you should at least for a moment consider whether conservation isn't the ultimate goal of life.
I'm all for people trying to recapture the wonder and excitement of their youth. Maybe it was just two unfortunate examples that struck me as things that adults should not be aspiring to do...
Kids do not have that, they can develop novel approaches and they really have to think- they dont even have work to escape from the difficult questions. So this is where the future comes from. Beeing childish and able to fail is a bon.
Kids very often just repeat whatever worked last time in very superficially similar situation and the smaller they are, they less likely they are to actually think through those situations. It seems like inventing something novel only if you don't know the kid and don't know what situation the kid is repeating.
(I still do things like that when they aren’t potentially alarming)
The playful mode seems to be characterized partly by open-ended exploration, and partly by lack of any definition of a 'correct result'.
When we lose the habit of entering the playful mode, it's in favor of another mode which carries out optimization processes on some desired goal state; you lose the 'absence of correct result definition' because there is a definitely some particular result you're looking for; likewise your exploration tends to be highly constrained and goal-directed.
A lot of distillation of Eastern ideas (primarily Buddhist and Taoist ideas) surrounding meditation focus on this distinction between 'modes'. The practice of meditation itself can help to let go of the driven/goal-oriented mind state, but a perhaps bigger part is taking earnest personal account of which things you really need in order to be content. The more things you're able to say you can do without, the fewer reasons you have to stay in the driven, non-playful mind state. (This is not to say you can't have goals: it's just a different way of dealing with them. The recommendation is to not set them up in such a way that things are not 'okay' until they are met.)
They need to play to make sense of the world. To a child, the most mundane things are genuinely fascinating and novel, as they haven't experienced them much yet.
Psychedelics are one way to reach this state of mind as an adult. They unravel our preconceptions a noticeable amount, transforming the mundane into something novel and fascinating yet again.
I think this perspective, with some effort, can be fostered as an adult as well. Of course, it's a balancing act.
One may argue that playfulness fosters creativity that eventually helps us fulfill other responsibilities better (e.g. create a more innovative startup, be a more playful parent). This is the classic trade off between exploration and exploitation. We tend to explore early on, then exploit the gained knowledge later.
Actually, there was benefit and reward for the kid shaking the sign.
The kid is trying out some things, learning about the world. Answering questions about the world such as: How strong and stable is this sign? Can I shake it like a tree branch? What sound will the shaking make? How strong am I? Am I strong enough to move this sign, even a little?
You likely have a good estimate of your own strength, and the how well the sign is installed, so you don't feel much need to shake it and learn its and your own limits.
I still do similar things. I tend to tap / rap with my knuckles things like steel stair railings. Some of them can make interesting and long-lasting notes, while with others the best you can get is a dull "thud".
I still think that way, sometimes, it's just I don't like drawing attention to myself. But other times, I just say "screw it". On Saturday I was the only adult joining their kids on the indoor waterslide. And it was a great slide and I loved it.
It's worth noting with near 100% certainty that aggressively shaking a stop sign is illegal in probably all jurisdictions. Especially if it looks like it is shaking uncontrollably. Now I'm not getting mad at the kid, but there is a very good reason your adult brain doesn't automatically think about shaking that sign (and then commanding your body to go do it).
The kid, if faced with a police officer after the event, will of course get off free. They didn't really do any damage. But adults know that shaking that sign so hard could cause real, expensive damage, and that aggressively attacking public safety infrastructure is a bad idea.
It's a good thing that your brain knows about the sign. The kid is learning about the sign for the first time maybe, but you know about it. You know what it is and the value of a human life that it might save if it is not ripped down and requiring repairs.
You don't know that. There are at least thousands, perhaps millions, of stop signs across America that are not securely placed into the ground. Sidewalks are cracking, some stop signs are old and getting older in the elements, etc.
If everyone in the US went out and shook a stop sign hard, we've be faced with millions of dollars in repairs and a very dangerous interim period without full stop sign coverage.
I'm obviously taking the extreme angle here. But America is laced with heavy regulation in the safety of its infrastructure to avoid simple failures like falling stop signs. Obviously there's no great effort to tear down all the top signs that would require a law against it - but I guarantee you that these signs are protected against vandalism and for good reason.
The kid has weaker arms, doesn't know the importance of the sign, and is vastly less likely to do damage. That's why we generally let them do it if they want to. But if 10 million adults all started doing it, you can bet there would be arrests.
It's not a bad thing that adults are less likely to go to town shaking stop signs uncontrollably. That would be risky and it's a-okay our brains know that.
The OP said that the sign in their story was shaking "uncontrollably". That word means something here - it means the sign was really shaking. Adults don't normally do that because it carries a real, physical risk both in damaging the property but also harming another person. It's not just innocent play for an adult to go shaking stop signs on the street - it's downright dangerous.
My point is that it is a good thing that adults don't go around shaking signs. We shouldn't be concerned about not being kids anymore just because we have the maturity to know about risk and health. It's not a bad thing that we know it's not acceptable to go around shaking signs uncontrollably.
Well, as uncontrollably as a kid could shake it.
>We shouldn't be concerned about not being kids anymore just because we have the maturity to know about risk and health. It's not a bad thing that we know it's not acceptable to go around shaking signs uncontrollably.
I think someone worried about the dangers and health risks of shaking a sign might be a little anxious. I don't shake signs because it would be boring, but this conversation has reinvigorated my interest in shaking stop signs! Next time I go for a walk and walk by a stop sign, my brain will make me shake it, and I will smile.
Thanks!
In VR games, I have found that childlike feeling again. I wander around trying to touch everything, if there is anything I can pick up, I will likely do childish things with, including seeing how far I can throw it or what I can hit with it. I often do some mini-roleplays by performing actions that aren’t strictly required by the game and serve no real purpose. And sometimes I just try to break shit sticking my head and body into places it didn’t belong.
And then you have social games like VRChat that feels like you’re playing amongst a bunch of rowdy immature children, sometimes because the people actually are a bunch of children!
Exploration vs exploitation
I get a perverse pleasure out of setting my GPS destination far in the opposite direction of where I'm actually driving, so it constantly tries to talk me into turning around every exit, just so I can enjoy the simple pleasure of not doing what it tells me to do.
They didn't appreciate my proposal to develop the TomTomagotchi: a PND with a simulated personality that begs you to drive it all around town to various points of interest it desires to visit in order to satisfy its cravings and improve its mood. I'm sure there's a revenue model getting drive through Burger Kings and car washes to pay for product placements.
Here are a couple of short hidden camera one minute movies about frustrated robots we made at the Stupid Fun Club.
Stupid Fun Club's "Servitude" One Minute Movie about Robot Servitude, written by Will Wright. Robot brain and personality simulation programmed by Don Hopkins.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NXsUetUzXlg
Stupid Fun Club's "Empathy" One Minute Movie about Robot Empathy, written by Will Wright. Robot brain and personality simulation programmed by Don Hopkins.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KXrbqXPnHvE
And if you thought recalcitrant robots were hard to control:
Pet Rock Remote Control
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SG0FAKkaisg
(If you want your pet rock to be obedient, you just have to carefully choose which commands you tell it to do.)
Something I want my kids to never forget as they grow up - don't stop being a kid.
I don't think we're incapable of conceiving it, I think this is very much cultural.
While we should avoid "playfulness" that comes at the expense of the greater good, like kicking a garbage over, or other kind of destructive play. I think its possible for adults to "play", but we'd need to change our culture to allow it.
I'd say a big part of playfulness is about engaging with others in a trustful and open manner. Something I feel our culture makes quite difficult. Going dancing for example is a good form of playfulness, yet is culturally a source of anxiety for most of the western world. To play with other adults makes most of us anxious, how messed up is that!?!
Similarly, to learn and explore as an adult is a source of anxiety, because our culture does not allow adults to be novice at something without judging or ridiculing. As an adult, you feel ashamed to start learning something new from scratch, that's why most people who learn things from scratch as adults do it with activities where they can learn it in secret, by themselves.
Lastly, time is a problem. We've given up our play time as adults, our culture is designed this way. We don't value time to play, we value making more money. People want to be rich, not play more.
I think this is all just cultural, as from where I'm from, these norms are not as strong as where I live now. Where I'm from I know of many more adults who's idea of a perfect life is to just live in a modest house, singing, dancing, playing music, chatting over dinner with good friends and family. To have time for your hobbies, and to just be able to relax and appreciate the passing of time.
What seems to me to be the heart of this piece is the telic-atelic distinction, which seems useful and deserving of more attention. There's some parallels, it seems, between the telic-atelic distinction on the one hand, and the distinction between more stereotypical "western" goal-oriented notions of success or happiness, and recent foci of mindfulness and other things having a kind of Buddhist bent. To me the telic-atelic distinction seems useful if for no other reason than to provide an additional historical and philosophical context to something gaining in the public consciousness. The atelic ideal seems similar to the mindfulness goals, but framed differently, in terms of types of rewards.
For me, although useful, I'm not sure this explains all of the midlife crisis. Maybe a big chunk, but for me personally at least I'd say more of it is about feeling like I took a wrong turn with certain choices, and feeling like there's no way to get out of it due to the limits of lifespan and sociocultural failings (e.g., stereotypes about age, gender, and profession, and ability to change, etc.). For me it's been less about asking "is this all there is?" and more like feeling like I've come to the conclusion that my vocation is a fraud, or that I'm not a good fit, and that humans in general are far more flawed and darker than I realized. There were similar feelings about other things in my early adulthood, but I always felt I could change my life, improve things, and move to something else; the difference is now, I feel like the change is more substantial due to the costs and investments involved, and I feel like societal stereotypes and failings make it harder. There's also the limitations of lifespan which are very real and make things difficult.
I feel profoundly disappointed in life and people, in the sense of being wronged, not in the sense of being bored. I don't want to feel this way, but am not sure how to get out of it.
Start seeing a therapist, changed my life
I suspect there is a notion of "things ought to be a certain/right way" in your view of things. I feel this defense is often used to justify to oneself why one hasn't engaged in something/the world. Said another way, it is safer to think things should work a certain way instead of risking for oneself to find out. It's never too late to find out directly.
> stereotypical "western" goal-oriented notions of success or happiness
is probably more "American" than "western". Look at the laissez-faire life of the French, Spanish or Italians and the typical German surely doesn't thrive for success but for a stable, comfortable life.
That goal-hunting and search for exceptionalism is certainly spreading in the world but I would think that the American culture is maybe the only one where it is really rooted.
Any time I feel on the wrong track, thinking of this guy makes my course corrections seem more doable.
I highly recommend it to people who would consider themselves on the logical/intelligent end of the spectrum and who tend to pursue their work, accomplishments, and gaining knowledge above all else in life.
It's also a great soft introduction to his work, without having to read dense 19th century philosophy.
One of the most useful lessons I learn from Schopenhauer was to look beyond structuring your life around trying to be "happy" and avoiding being "sad", and instead seek some deeper meaning beyond some fleeting emotional chemical reactions in your brain. It makes me laugh now when
I now laugh when I hear people say "money doesn't make you happy", not so much for the money part, but the fallacy of using an emotion like "being happy" as the measure for a quality life.
Yea I never understood this modern obsession. Doesn't even make sense. Definition of mind is 'something that seeks' and seeking is contradictory to 'happiness'.
Only way to be 'happy' is that if you mind is not functioning, dead.
Oh come on. You know what they mean, you're being deliberately obtuse in order to characterize someone else as ignorant. Which only reflects badly on you.
That old cliche may be trite and simplistic, but it's making a simple point that sometimes needs to be made; money won't solve all of your problems.
Of course it does solve a lot of really bad problems, so it's also a bit of a myopic view.
That was merely one example of the phenomenon of our culture being obsessed with 'happiness' as the measure of success. There are countless other examples I could have used which doesn't require reading into someone's 'real meaning' when using a cliche. The general point still stands, 'happy' is still frequently used interchangably with 'a good life' in our culture.
I can't count the amount of times I've heard people negatively judge other successful people's lives because they seemed dour or aren't walking around laughing/smiling all the time or some other surface level measures. That to me is what is arrogant.
Nor because I laugh (in my head) when I come across people chasing temporary emotional highs or measuring the quality of other's lives based on that doesn't mean I'm belittling them or looking down upon them because they haven't made the same realizations or made similar psychological/philosophical/personal investments in their own life. I spent a big portion of my life doing the same, doesn't make me better.
I don't necessarily subscribe to his beliefs or world view, but I found them quite interesting. I particularly enjoyed the later stages of the book that discussed pessimism, suicide, why suicide is not the correct answer to pretty much any problem, and other such "dark" themes. Anyone can write the "happy path" of philosophy, so to speak, but Schopenhauer clearly trod a more melancholy path.
Furthermore, what you get satisfaction from can change. Build a bunch of puzzles or stairs, and you may find it dull and unrewarding. I don't find actual coding as rewarding as it used to be, but I find design and problem solving much more interesting.
I think the young and old part is misleading. People can get in such a malaise at any time. The key is finding the trick and techniques to get out of it, or even better, avoiding it in the first place.
I've decided to slow down and focus on my family and myself, in pursuits that have no real reward except the enjoyment of the experience itself. "Being present", they say.
Ultimately, I'm planning on getting out of the Bay Area to find something with less stress. I had a good run but the constant battle to climb higher just seems so silly now; I finally recognized the pattern of not having any real lasting happiness upon hitting some big achievement (the raise, the promotion, the qualification, whatever).
My new modus operandi: Work to ensure there is money in the bank so I can retire as I'd like to, and then focus on family, friends, myself.
Projects come and go, but the buzz and hum of the new is constant and unreachable. For an autodidact like me, the thrill of learning something new is also a process I enjoy.
Goals are good but you have to enjoy the journey. This is no big mystery. But it's something a lot of people overlook because choosing a goal is how you get started on a journey.
Where they are wrong is equating a process that does not necessarily bring pure pleasure and joy with "suffering."
You must be able to change your state of mind to see that there is no concept of pleasure without pain, there is no warmth without cold, and there is no joy without sadness. When we are sad, we should embrace it and revel in it as a natural part of life.
There has to be a potential endpoint or else there's no meaning. Pick a hard problem which you find intensely meaningful and take small steps each day towards solving it.
As Karl Popper put it:
'I think there is only one way to do science – or to do philosophy for that matter; to meet a problem, to see its beauty and fall in love with it; to get married to it, and to live with it happily, till death do ye part - unless you should meet another and even more fascinating problem, or unless indeed you should obtain a solution. But even if you do obtain a solution you may then discover to your delight, the existence of a whole family of enchanting though perhaps difficult problem children for whose welfare you may work, with a purpose to the end of your days'
But I suspect also that we are very much more programmed as far as our values and goals than we realize, and middle age as a natural point in life where depression sets in, a subconcious rebellion/angst against a life we are living that is fradulent not in tune with our true selves.
This is interesting because I feel like after the war I came back a middle aged man at 24 due to this feeling. I went through the motions in my professional career, but it all seemed so empty compared to what I used to do... so I spent the last ten years or so of my free time my career supported trying to study geopolitical and geostrategic issues because I found meaning in trying to understand why things are/were so damn fucked up, so perhaps as a problem solver I could fix some of them. (I have what are probably ridiculous aspirations of a presidential run someday.)
So I was living a half fraudulent life in order to live a half self-true life, and the tension between the two was palpable.
Near death (and near life) experiences really have a way of breaking that societal programming fast though. It's like when I went through what I call my Descartes reset. I took the red pill with the concious decision that I wanted to know the truth no matter how ugly it is... but that doesn't negate much of just how much impact the ugliness of truth can have on a person. Many people seem to have a subconcious awareness that they would prefer the beautiful lie due to that, but for some reason middle age tends to be the point in which those two forces butt heads, and sometimes people change course at that point.
That's why I used to joke I was getting my midlife crisis out of the way early. The joke was on me though, ten years later I still struggle with that dichotomy. I'll finally be 35 in 2020, so do I pursue the grand purpose path and just try my hand at a run for POTUS despite my trepidations or do I focus on establishing a more down to earth life and focus on just living it while I can!? I don't know yet, but I do know that at some point soon I will have to make that decision and follow through with it.
The real point is that I think we should self-analyze enough to make these decisions conciously before the uglier side-effects of dealing with them subconciously rear their heads in often desctructive ways, such as a midlife crisis.
life/the universe/fate/god/chance/whatever will cause positives (and negatives) in your life that you didn't actively want. Since you never sought them out, not having them wasn't suffering. Now that you have them, appreciate them!
How Schopenhauer Got Me Through My Mid-Life Crisis by Charles Alonso https://www.amazon.com/How-Schopenhauer-Through-Mid-Life-Cri...
It's fiction, funny, philosophical, about middle age and a quick read.
But adults do the same, they learn new things, they have hobbies, visit new places, try out new foods, learn new languages, work on personal projects...
In a nutshell, we need to give more to others as we age.
Are there such activities? Even the more process-oriented ones, lacking final conclusions, have terminal milestones. The juggler will eventually master 4 balls; the violinist Paganini, etc.
European philosophers may not have, but the works of Confucius etc are almost entirely all revolving around middle aged men.
Big suprise. Unlike the rich kids when you were young.