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You don't seriously think people order drugs to their own addresses, right?

Where else? If I order drugs to somebody else's address, they'll get the drugs and not me.

Send it to a friend of yours that doesn't do drugs but will give it to you.

Edit: reason I wrote that, is that I remember one time, some dude found weed on the street, and since he didn't smoke he gave it to hit friend. So the same here. (But it's a joke cause mail+drugs+address+police no bueno)

That's not a way to treat a friend. You would let the Fed's bust their house?

Nice friend, incriminating your friend like that. Order it to yourself, say you didn't order it and threw it away.

Why would your friends think that is a good idea?

Well, most people just put a fake name, or name of a previous tenant.

Houses change ownership, people make mistakes.

That's actually a red flag, and heavily discouraged by the community in question, so 'most' definitely don't do that.

This is in fact the last thing you should do according to every single buyer guide. Postal service would assume there is something fishy going on.

Rarely in the UK people pay for a redirect. Other than that the Postal Seervice don't really know who lives where. If your getting post for an ex tenant, that redirect isn't in place.

But the postman who delivers the post will notice that he's delivering the odd bit of post for somebody who doesn't live there.

I frequently receive mail for people who haven't lived in this house for a decade, so I challenge your assumption. The postman isn't paid enough to care.

I get at least 2 or 3 letters a week for previous residents of my house (and I've owned it for 10 years). Probably 1 or 2 packages a year too.

(Yes I follow the recommended process for dealing with it.)

UK: https://personal.help.royalmail.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/...

" It's my address but someone else's name

We deliver to addresses rather than names so our advice here would be to put a cross through the address and write on the item 'Not known at this address' or, 'No longer lives here' and post the item at your convenience - you won't need to apply any postage. Where applicable we will return the item to the sender hopefully allowing them to update their records. "

And even then it won't all stop. The direct marketers don't care and some financial companies are bound by law to keep sending the letters if they don't have an updated address for the old residents.

After we started doing this we got a couple of letters from the likes of Zurich Ltd addressed "to the householder" explaining that they'd love to stop sending us junk, but they have to, and if we could give them any details about where the old residents might be, that would be great. I wished them luck and told them the best we knew they'd moved abroad, permanently, possibly to Turkey.

Mildly off topic but I was a postman for a few years and the advice you linked to will get you almost all the way. Next time you get a letter that isn't for you put a big circle around the label, then put a cross through the circle. Don't write anything on it, but next time you see the postman give it directly to him/her/them and ask them to put it in with the blind letters. That will work. Probably.

Why? What if I have a guest coming over.

Also postman doesnt give a fuck.

Interesting. My experience is from central europe, or essentially the 3 german countries where people are heavily advised to use their real names.

In the countries you mention, individual apartments don't have numbers, but are rather identified entirely by the name(s) of the occupants. If the parcel is not addressed with your name you won't receive it.

It is, yet I still routinely receive mail for two previous tenants of the house we now own. If you're a regular purchaser then yes it will be weird is suddenly a previous tenant starts receiving packages every few weeks on a regular interval and they're not getting returned.

But the real reason you shouldn't do it is that you don't actually get any deniability. John Doe who used to live at my address is not going to order drugs and ship them to my address. Especially if he's moved any reasonable distance, or is dead, or incarcerated, etc. It's no less obvious than just shipping them to yourself.

I'm still getting the occasional piece of mail for previous tenants and I've owned my house since 2004. Of course rampant package theft means anything sent to my house is stolen within minutes, so all you're doing is buying free stuff for thieves. I've long ago switched to a post office box.

Is package theft really that bad/fast where you live?

It's entirely anecdotal of course but my wife bought a one-of-a-kind dress (trunk show sample) and it was stolen out of our mailbox. We found the packaging for another dress that came separately but couldn't find her $1,000 dress.

That was three or four years ago and I've had a PO Box ever since. So I thought my neighbors on nextdoor were exaggerating and then I was forced to have a package delivered because Google uses FedEx Ground for their slowest and cheapest option.

It was less than an hour between email notification of package delivery and my checking to find it gone. So add some buffer time in case the driver was slow to update the package status but still I'd say an hour to an an hour and a half was rotten luck or people are actively searching for packages. Probably both to be honest. I'm sure there's lots of confirmation bias there.

That sucks. I am in the suburbs of a fairly small city along the gulf coast, we mainly have issues with package theft in November/December. People just follow the UPS truck.

I'm sure a lot of people did. Getting caught using a fake address, stealing mail etc. is clear evidence of a crime.

Getting mail at your house? Not something you can prevent and it would likely be easy to claim ignorance of the contents.

The guides on places like /r/DarkNetMarkets do actually recommend shipping to your own address, under your own name.

The theory is that if the post office contacts the police, the police will have the post office confirm the delivery, which you could then deny. There was a Cleveland Indians player a few years that had a big package of pot delivered to his house and his downfall was signing for the package.

Consider this:

People order pills online on an anonymous site designed for people to be untrackable, using anonymous methods of payment, and then ingest the aforementioned pills they received in the mail from China without a second thought.

I would say compared to getting poisoned with unknown substances, trouble with the law seems like a distant secondary issue.

This is certainly a concern, but I'm not convinced it's all that rampant. You can't make much money if you 1) poison your customers, or 2) are a brand new seller (e.g. if you make a new account after every sale to avoid stacking negative community ratings).

And if the buyer isn't testing their drugs before doing them, that's on the buyer. That's the reality of that market.

I'm sure poisoning customers is bad for business, but the stakes are as high as it gets (pun intended).

Statistically speaking I'm sure a very low percentage of people that do drugs get in trouble with law enforcement as well.

Still, it speaks volumes about the buyers' risk aversion which was the original point.

That being said you have a good point about testing. Personally I'm not a consumer so I don't know how widespread testing is.

If you live in a civilized country and the police is not known to shoot random people i would say its a fair risk to take for some.

SWIM told them he doesnt know about this package and showed them how his address is public for anyone due to owning domains. SWIM only paid a low fee for the little weed they found at his home and was at work in time.

That’s exactly what people do.

I would not be surprised if, despite publicly harping about solid OPSEC, many users get tired and negligent.

Probably most of them are casual users, not addicts.

This true for almost everyone. Most people are not nearly as careful and clever as they think they are. Many criminals, including Ross Ulbricht, get caught due to some small mistake or oversight. In reality it's very hard to maintain perfect security discipline forever.

Drug users are not always known for stellar opsec...

I know a few, and lets say... you would be suprised. Some deals with shady characters also need a certain kind of opsec btw.

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