Surviving 75 hours alone in the ocean
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He wrote an interesting book called "Alone In The Ocean" [2] where he described his endeavor.
[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanislav_Kurilov
[2]: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01HYLLOZ2/ref=dp-kindle-redirect?...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gu%C3%B0laugur_Fri%C3%B0%C3%BE...
Not mentioned in that link though is that the doctors who examined him believed his resistance to cold came from him eating a traditional diet that included seal meat in his youth, and that his body fat had accumulated a not inconsiderable amount of seal blubber.
Body Size and insulating fat at can also make a huge difference. People in warmer climates are simply less adapted to cold conditions and therefore at greater risk for a given temperature.
PS: Some people can actually walk around without clothing or becoming cold in 40f weather and be perfectly comfortable. It's sleeping that's the greatest risk as you reduce metabolic activity while having a large surface area in contact with the ground.
Incidentally, this variation seems not to be genetic, or maybe it is epigenetic. When visiting India during the "winter" with a friend who was born there but had lived in USA for decades, his family was shocked at how both of us were comfortable in short sleeves while they shivered in heavy coats.
It's one thing to sit neutrally bouyant in a Scuba suit, or in a flotation device, with nothing but shivering to keep warm. Asleep, you can get hypothermia in water that is nearly at body temperature.
However, endurance athletes (like this 2.5-day-swimmer apparently decided he was) can keep warm by exertion. Competitive swimmers will keep warm, and actually sweat a great deal, in a very cold pool throughout an hour or two of practice in nothing but a speedo.
The problem only comes when one discovers, like the protagonist of Jack London's "To Build A Fire", that you lack the endurance.
In that water he would have succumb to hypothermia in hours. I spent 2 hours wading in water with no protection in the same temperature that he was in. My body temp was 95 degrees, lower than his after 72.
this sounds dangerous. Just curious, why were you in 60deg water for two hours?
Lots of diving accidents reports starts with someone being overconfident (ignoring the recommended safety limits or his personal limits), ignoring safety-checks and/or losing his diving buddy. I guess this is one of those. I like reading those kinds of reports because it shows how things can go wrong, even for experienced divers. And how to be prepared for those problems. It also shows that most diving accidents happens usually because of human error instead of equipment failure.
The good thing: He's still alive. He returned to the diving spot a few years later (to take a picture for his "treading water" book) and he became a "Water Safety Ambassador" in NZ. And his history might serve as an example during diving safety classes.
Being just over the border in Egypt, they get a steady stream of young guys fresh out of the army who are accustomed to surviving lots of things and now want to go have some fun. So they nod along to the safety instruction on their "discover scuba" dive, then swim off over the lip to the 30M deep underwater caves filled with lion fish and opportunities for knife fighting.
It doesn't surprise me that the guy in the story thought he could swim to the beach from a few hundred yards away.
I am not a diver but I have come close to losing my life three times in the backcountry. Each time I remember my overwhelming thought was "I have been an idiot". And, as you noted, each time: I was alone (or with my dog but no other human), and was overconfident both in gear and experience.
Interestingly in two of the three cases my dog saved my life. Though I knew full well that Lassie is not a documentary, it always felt like I had someone with me.
The first time I went for a hike without checking the weather. I had a topo and compass but not a GPS (which I almost never carry anyway) and, as it was a day hike, no stove or any overnight supplies beyond a bottle of water. In the summer that's not really a problem (you can almost always survive overnight in summer without a problem even with no preparation, food or equipment, especially if it's not raining) but stupid and dangerous in the winter at altitude. I was wearing relatively lightweight "travel" gear because I expected to be sweating, not sitting still. In any case it began to snow heavily and I could not see any landmarks, much less my map. I tried dead reckoning to the trailhead but eventually came across my own snowshoe tracks as it began to become dark. Very scary. I was also frightened of stumbling into a lake or off a cliff, both which were relatively nearby. At some point the dog became fed up with my antics and just walked away, which he normally never does. Lacking any better plan I followed him and he walked pretty directly to the trailhead which turned out not to be that far away.
The second was much more serious: again, I got a late start because of work and got into the wilderness around dark, not having checked the weather. I skied a bit but it's dangerous to travel at night, especially in the snow. I do have a special lightweight and compact rig I developed for sleeping below zero, but it requires some time and attention to set up. So I put up a tent (least I had brought one!) for me and the dog because I wanted out of the weather and was too tired to try to make a robust shelter, especially in the dark. Unfortunately the spot I chose was exposed and the winds were quite strong, pulling branches down and threatening to pull the tent (I had only anchored it to the snow). In the dark I had to get up, find a tree well, and dig a hole. I put my skis and my pack over the hole, dug a chair, and then spent a sleepless night with my dog. I opened his jacket and my jacket, sat on the dog pad and my sleeping pad, and wrapped my sleeping blanket around us with the dog blanket over the top. I put the dog's jacket under him. He sat up/stood up all night and kept me warm (most of the time I was hugging him). I was afraid to fall asleep and potentially freeze to death because the covering required continuous adjustment. When we dug out in the morning up my tent was gone (I eventually found it) and there were branches that had fallen where it had been, though who knows if they really would have been dangerous? At least it hadn't snowed much, though it was pretty cold.
(One of my students managed to dig a shelter using only his skis when he was caught downhill after skiing out of bounds, but he did the digging before the sun went down, and was rescued in the morning. His ski gear was adequate for overnight in those conditions).
The common thread here is that I was dumb, dumb, dumb and deserved to suffer. I prepare better when writing code than I did on these two trips: I was overconfident that my skills and experience would get me through.
BTW my dog weighed almost 150 lbs (not much less than I do) with legs as long as mine. He had (he's since passed away) well over a thousand trail miles and was trained to stick with me regardless of distractions, which is why it was so shocking when he walked away. He only did that one other time, when a group of us were cutting a trail -- I assume he was bored and went back to camp in the hope of finding forgotten food. Oh yeah, he would also do it sometimes in the office if he thought someone might be eating a sandwich :-).
75 hours in cold water is crazy, but the diver didn't have to keep himself afloat. I find it almost unbelievable that it's possible to swim and tread water -- even in warm salt water -- for 27 hours.
https://news.nationalgeographic.com/2017/12/alone-lost-overb...
https://stabmag.com/news/missing-south-african-surfer-found-...
Lying flat, arms out reduces the work needed to stay afloat - but will drain your core temperature faster (although after 27 hours it doesn't really matter, you'll shiver your way to stay warm "enough" or hypothermia will set in).
I can't find the study I read after that movie came out a few years ago on this exact scenario. Will reply or edit my post if I can find it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cliff_Young_(athlete)#Sydney_t...
> ... the holder of the scientifically documented record for the longest a human has intentionally gone without sleep ... stayed awake for 264.4 hours (11 days 25 minutes).
So I'm gonna guess "no", it doesn't mean "without sleep".
[0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Randy_Gardner_(record_holder)
-Spent over 120 days in the open ocean aboard a 25ft boat.
-Spent over 120 days in the open ocean aboard a 25ft boat.
I have. I find it distinctively easier than pools, lakes and rivers. The commenter is right, it doesn’t take much energy, comparatively speaking.
- Just a guy who has floated on water.
Easy to periodically come up, like, every 30 seconds? 3240 times in a row?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AHrCI9eSJGQ
That whole 30 days is calm.
My theory is that I keep less air in my lungs on a normal out breath than others.
When I started training in freediving (apnea), I learned how to take much fuller breaths. I can almost guarantee that if you haven't done that kind of training, strengthened your diaphragm and learned 3-zone breathing, you aren't taking in nearly as much air as you could.
Our bodies are mostly water and the amount of mass that we have that's denser than water isn't that much denser. But water is a lot denser than air and the more you can add air volume, the more buoyant you become. Learning to float is a matter of learning to maximize your volume. Some density numbers from the internet...
Salt water: 1.03g/ml Fresh water: 1g/ml Muscle: 1.06g/ml Bone: 1.1g/ml (approximate...couldn't find a good source for this) Fat: 0.9g/ml Air: 0.0023g/ml
The numbers seem to back up your instructors. As you can see, all these values are fairly close except for air, so adding more air to your volume can dramatically change your buoyancy. Wikipedia lists the average adult male lung capacity at 6L, so a 5L breath should be achievable for most. In salt water, that 5L breath will add more than 5kg of buoyancy, which is enough to float around 400 lbs of muscle or 176 lbs of bone. In fresh water, that same 5L breath will add a bit less, enough to cancel out 193 lbs of muscle or 121 lbs of bone. There's no way that I can know your body composition, but those numbers are very substantial. The more likely is that you're just not getting anywhere near 5L of air in your lungs.
If you're ever into you're trying it again, look up some stretches to open up the lungs. Then practice breathing shallowly with nearly-full lungs. If you're able to do that, you'll probably be able to float laying on your back, where your head is mostly submerged...remember, every part of your body above the surface counts against your buoyancy, for the same reason that air in the lungs matters so much.
Article about it in New Scientist: https://books.google.com/books?id=rYIJJP7audkC&lpg=PA26&dq=g...
Here's the study "Exceptional case of survival in cold water": http://www.bmj.com/content/bmj/292/6514/171.2.full.pdf
They immersed him in 5.3C water for 83 minutes, and only stopped the experiment because of discomfort in his feet. His temperature only dropped by about 1C.
I wonder what would happen if one actually fell off a large cruise ship.
It is possible to jump off a cruise ship and survive, though. Every now and then an idiot decides to jump off before reaching the harbor and swim to some island near the coast. And get a hefty fine afterwards. But at this point the ships aren't doing full speed or at the open sea.
The article doesn't go into much detail in terms of the psychological aspects of the ordeal -- your life flashing before your eyes for days, can't imagine.
I'm not being snarky, asking because I used to surf and wearing a wetsuit would seriously make me warm, to the point where surfing on 10C would require me to unzip the wetsuit every half an hour to make me comfortable.
After my body warmed up the water inside the suit I didn't feel at all the cold of the water except on my feet/head, like I mentioned, I actually felt overheating after a while.
With that said I never calculated or researched how well do these wetsuits insulate for a prolonged period in water, have any data on that?
This guy spent 75 hours floating in the water, not paddling around expending tons of energy competing with the pack for the next set wave :)
Divers' suits are not dry. There's water between the skin and the suit. Actually that warmed water layer is what isolates the body against the cold outside.
Prolonged soaking in seawater, along with the friction from his wetsuit and fins, damaged Hewitt’s skin pretty badly.
> Divers' suits are not dry
Wetsuits are wet. Drysuits are dry. Sometimes divers wear wetsuits, and some of the more experienced ones wear drysuits.
The comment I responded to said that divers use drysuits so this guy should be wearing one. No matter how you put it, the article says that the guy used a wetsuit.
Please, stop for a moment and let this little fact sink: the guy wore a wetsuit and the article clearly states this much.
Yes, I could have said that NOT ALL Divers' suits are dry. But the fact is that MOST of them aren't and in the single specific case THAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT, the suit wasn't dry.
So why the hell do I need to clarify these obvious things? I have no idea.
Oh, and the fact that people use downvoting to "win" these petty fights.
I didn't downvote you - and in general I don't downvote.
You stated a factually incorrect statement originally and I corrected you. Maybe you meant to say something else but you actually didn't.
> Yes, I could have said that NOT ALL Divers' suits are dry.
That would have really helped. This is HN, a lot of us are coders, you can expect us to be picky.
I wouldn't take it personally.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lynne_Cox
Her autobiography, Swimming to Antarctica, is a great read.
Very surprised that such an experienced diver would make such an incredibly dangerous decision. Or that his dive buddy would agree to it.
Possibly a decision based on over-confidence.
[0] http://articles.chicagotribune.com/1995-11-30/news/951130015...
As others have pointed out, beware planning for one environment, and finding yourself in an very different but adjacent one. Warm air, cold water, no pants.
He was swimming for about 2 days after his boat sunk of the coast of Florida.
From what I read, keeping up hope is a huge factor in survival.
Are there high insulation full body suits (double layer) ? Some people use array of thermoelectric generators on their skin to produce drops of electricity. Granted a large body coverage, helped by the temperature difference, the heatsink effect of water would make the generation a bit less inefficient.
Also what's worse keeping the HELP position with body submerged or doing a plank with half the body in air ? I wonder if wet skin + air lowers your temp faster.. albeit you have a bit of sunlight.
Here's one of the videos: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5gOW8ZaYqHA&list=PL0B7B52ACA...
For full disclosure he's a friend of mine, but the book is a gripping read.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objecti...
It was also made into an episode of "I shouldn't be alive".
Hmm, anyone heard of that before?
Even face-up foetal (without a mask) seems very likely to be stressful.
https://www.boatus.org/assets/img/cold-water/help-individual...