Soros: "superbubble" that has been swelling for a quarter of a century is finally bursting
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The ironic thing is he speaks a lot about reflexivity, where market's participants views on an outcome actually end up affecting that outcome itself.
History has proven him correct. The econometric discoveries once heralded as potential "laws" of macroeconomics have all faired poorly against the data over time. His own insights derived from praxeology have held up well.
This failure of econometrics is at the root of the current crisis. All the model based derivative valuations and risk management tools worked ... until they didn't. Same thing with the LTCM crisis. You just can't substitute regression analysis for thinking.
"Essentially, it says that financial markets have built-in biases which have an impact not only on prices but also, in extreme times, the fundamentals themselves. In such moments, market events affect as well as reflect supply and demand."
"But this crisis is profoundly different from its predecessors, he argues—at least, all those since the Depression—because two bubbles are coinciding: a “straightforward” one in housing, pumped up by low interest rates in the wake of the dotcom collapse; and a longer-term, more complicated “super-bubble” fed by globalisation, deregulation and decades of credit expansion, which is taking in commodities, currencies and more besides."
“[S]hort US and European stocks, US ten-year government bonds, and the US dollar; long Chinese, Indian and Gulf States stocks and non-US currencies.”
Interesting how the feedback loop goes both ways so reality resembles what people say. An argument can seem self fulfilling.
However, this is not po-mo in the sense that reality is what people think it is, though, because people don't really lose their free will.
There's quite a lot of evidence that people's attitude affects the economy in the short run. The whole investing discipline of technical analysis rests on this, as do the schools of Keynesianism and Austrian macroeconomics.
But in the long run, people's basics needs always win out. You may believe that prices are going to fall and so it's better to spend your money later rather than sooner, but eventually you still have to eat. Or you might figure that stock prices are falling, yet companies are now spinning off so much in dividends that it's worth investing just for the dividend stream. These effects tend to put a floor (or ceiling, for bubbles) on any short-term psychological movements.
The tricky part is figuring out where the short term meets the long term. If people could do that reliably, they'd be millionaires in short order. But it's very difficult to time the point where "Everybody else expects prices to go down, so they will" meets "But they're really low, so the fundamentals look too good to pass up."
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As for selling books, the guy's one of the richest people in the world...
He makes a fantastic prediction. 10% chance he is remembered forever (he predicted a black swan, what foresight!), 90% chance of nothing.
He makes no fantastic predictions, just "the future will probably be much like the present". 0% chance he is remembered forever (he predicted no major change, big whoop).
10% > 0%.
It may be a very good move to make big, ridiculous claims.
Two commenters now seem to think that Soros wants to sell books for money. No, he's going for his shot of glory--the guy who predicted the apocolypse. Trouble is, everyone's doing that lately...
Most people are predicting bad things about the housing market and the credit system, but stopping short of analyzing the implications; Soros is one of the few people taking the next logical step.
Soros is saying that "cheap money" in the US has been caused by a ponzi-scheme in US asset markets. Capital inflows pushed up prices and attracted more investment, which pushed up prices and attracted more investment... Now that people are taking money out prices will fall and obliterate a lot of wealth that exists only on paper.
There's no question that what he's describing has happened. The real uncertainty is over the scale. This could be very significant, or it could be insignificant. Soros is implying that this sort of speculative investment dominates US markets and is the reason the USD hasn't followed fundamentals for the last ten years.
Not much mention of this in the news, but Hong Kong and Singapore have just adjusted their basket peg to the USD. Reduced demand for USD by major debt-holders means reduced demand for USD assets.
All of a sudden, $900 billion of China's assets are toast. This will hurt their credit rating as much as ours (do they have any collateral anymore?).
Debt between nations is not the same as debt you owe to the bank.
The 77-year-old hedge-fund supremo and slayer of sterling has nothing to prove financially (he is worth upwards of $8 billion). Intellectually, however, he has long been frustrated at not being taken seriously. Just as he was about to give up, along came a debacle that, he believes, validates his Weltanschauung.
That fits pretty well with the carefully hidden acknowledgement that this isn't news:
And yet this is not the first time that Mr. Soros has prophesied doom. In 1998, he published a book predicting a global economic collapse that never came.
This article is about two things: the general hysteria of a generation of workers who have never seen a real recession; and a rich man in his final years trying to leverage his wealth into a legacy. They're both pandering.
Economist article here: http://www.economist.com/finance/displaystory.cfm?story_id=1...
Perhaps true now, but not true three years ago. Three years ago all the people who saw a crisis brewing were completely ignored. If you wanted popular attention you had to crow about making fast money in finance or by flipping houses.
Remember, a black swan isn't unpredictable; it's only unpredictable to the majority. The turkey spends two years thinking the butcher is the greatest guy in the world, until the last day -- the black swan. But to the butcher, it's not a black swan at all.
I don't know about agentbleu, but I don't have evidence to support my conclusion. I only read the news and used Google. I assure you that Soros has it right and this will end up being worse than the Great Depression.
2) How can people vote up and take seriously a comment like "where inflation of US dollar outstrips that of zimbabway." [sic] ? Do you really believe that?
I too vote: "not hacker news". Other sites have plenty of "doom! gloom!" stories if that's your thing.
Perhaps it is me, but I like to think of starting a new venture to be an upbeat, positive, optimistic way of life. Observations about the state of the world or the economy are interesting only so much as they fit into startup plans, and time has shown again and again that you can run a startup in any environment.
Just my two cents.
That's my two cents, and why I would nuke it, and stories like it, from orbit - "because it's the only way to be sure":-) There are plenty of other places to talk about stories like this.
In my mind, that's why this is, actually, hacker news. A start up is a little boat. We need to know when the storm is coming earlier than others and take action: http://avc.blogs.com/a_vc/2008/04/battening-down.html
Second, sure the US dollar won't be as bad as the Zim dollar. That's hyperbole, but the truth is that it's going to get much worse before it's over. That's doom and gloom, but it's less so when you raise yourself above turkey-level and at least attempt to manage around it.