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It's a brilliant system and doesn't require hundreds of cameras and machine learning.
I've also used the system at Waitrose and it's completely painless, so I'd guess if there's a problem it's due to poor implementation.
One particular advantage for me was that I could take my backpack around the shop filling it up, so I'd never have to worry whether I was buying too much to fit.
And it also meant I could be sure multi-buy discounts have processed before I got to the checkout, instead of having to check my receipt and make a fuss about it if they didn't.
The only minor issue I noticed is that if you're buying alcohol you need a member of staff to confirm your age, and they often don't have dedicated staff on the QuickCheck machines when it's quiet, but even then it still doesn't take long to find someone.
He said that around 1 times in 10, the cashier would actually check your items to make sure you weren't stealing anything- and if you had any discrepancies, you could expect to have the cashier check you every time for the next 2 months.
The main principle is that the workload of scanning the items is spread out to the customer, who isn't being paid for their time, rather than the cashier, who is.
As to "Razor Thin Margins" that relative, Walmart got in to Groceries because they could make more money then when they were just a General Goods Store. While the per item margin might be slightly lower than General Goods the volumes are WAY higher thus making it over all more profitable. That also means loss is actually less impactful
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/shoppers-to-check-out-sup...
One advantage I would imagine for Amazon Go is going to be the experience for the customers, that without the need to queue and even forget checkout at all, is great. However I doubt how much they could save from going cashier free.
Both are by phone, but WM will have dedicated had scanners for those who don't have/want a smartphone.
Even down to the "rescan" audits by an employee. The only downer with Stop & Shop is the audits went from something I'd encounter a few times a year, to something I'd encounter every other visit.
Apple does this for items below a certain value – you walk in, open the Apple Store app, scan the barcode on the product, then walk out with it.
Still, though, I think Amazon's automation of the retail experience is helping to create a society where there is even less real social interaction, and I think it's a factor (if even a small one currently) in the increasing tribalism in American society.
Throughout history, "the marketplace" had been one of the major centers of interpersonal interaction, and these days for many people it's possibly to completely avoid ever having to go to the store. I'm not sure that's a great thing.
Even if this slight increase in social interaction did anything ("cash or credit?" -- "Credit, ma'am"), that's as ridiculous as fixing race conditions with sleep() calls (hehe, race conditions).
But to answer your comment: the comment was not about the chit-chat with the cashier, but other people in the line.
I live in San Francisco.
I didn't know YC published HN's demographics. Do you have a link?
Unless the wealthier, more connected, more educated readership of Hacker News strongly bucks every trend suggested by their demographics, it's pretty safe to say we mostly live in urban areas.
[1]https://www.citylab.com/equity/2012/03/us-urban-population-w... [2]https://www.census.gov/newsroom/press-releases/2015/cb15-33....
The preferred option is to do a little reading of your own beforehand, and to share whatever it is you know that makes you think the obvious answer might not be right.
You still have people in checkout lines on their phones or parents giving their kids a phone with YouTube or a mobile game to distract them. The older folk, as you might expect, tend to strike up conversation and bump into those they don't know.
I worked retail a few years in this town (which is finally coming to an end) and the few times I can remember strangers striking up a conversation with me were mainly them spreading misinformation.
A few years back, one elderly man swore black and blue that "they" were canning all of the "irradiated fish" from the Fukushima fallout and selling it to unsuspecting customers. Another lady told me the story of a man who just happened to be stumbling around "a major Chinese city" and peering into a factory window only to see that "the Chinese" were turning cardboard into cookies and selling them to us unsuspecting Westerners.
By no means are the above stories an indicator of country folk but let's just say I have my reasons for not jumping at the chance to talk with strangers. Half the time it's just an excuse for them to offload their stories onto me rather than actually being a two way conversation anyway.
EDIT: I just mentioned the overall feel of the discussions to my dad as he's the sort to strike up conversation with anyone. Having presented both sides of the discussion, he instantly discarded one side as "wrong" without actually weighing up any of the points. While it's anecdotal, it's no wonder I'm somewhat the opposite. Each conversation turns into a debate to win rather than a discussion.
Given "equal and opposite reaction[s]", I wonder if tribalism is inevitable? Did we ever actually defuse this kind of stuff in society or was it just hidden away due to geography eg; distance between rural and urban areas?
While I somewhat agree with you, I still think that by taking away the need for millions of people to have lots of little banal interactions, we're also erasing the possibility, on a society-wide scale, of more meaningful interactions that sometimes spring from those trivial little conversations.
Being in line at the DMV is probably the best example I can think of this.
I'm usually waiting for a while, and chatting with whomever is next to me. Not unusual to be an interesting conversation with someone I'd have never otherwise spoken to (and probably vice versa).
What people call "tribalism" I would re-frame as class structuralism. People might segregate themselves by class via Whole Foods vs Walmart, but that doesn't mean people are striking up conversations within-class or between-classes. That doesn't seem very "tribal" versus what American Christians have; rather it seems loosely coherent.
And again, I would ask whether a commercial space is really the best place going forward. I am struck by the number of places a young person wouldn't feel like going without a credit card.
Are cashiers not paid?
Today it's no longer nerdy to listen to music, everyone has earbuds in and your newspaper and magazines are all easily accessible on tiny little screens which use a lot less paper.
But... what if I want that? What if I don't want to be coerced into social interaction, every day, just so I get get my basic physical needs met? What if I want to engage with society and humans on my terms, rather than on yours?
Who gets to decide? I welcome this because it gives me another choice. It moves me one step further away from the coerced-social-interaction experient you envision as heavenly and towards a world where I get to make one more of the choices that matters to me.
In fact, who is to say that the present typical amount of social interaction is optimal or even generally desirable? It's a function of our society and its tech today, it didn't come up on stone tablets from the heaven.
But, consider. If letting people talk to one another - or not - as they choose rather than as some would-be society-engineer decides leads to social collapse, what will actually be lost? Is so fragile a system really worth preserving? I submit that it may not be.
Personally, I don't require that computers mediate all human interaction. I do rather like having a choice, though.
If you shop at Whole Foods, Target, Trader Joe's, Kroger, etc. this has never been true for you, unless by social interaction you mean handing your card to the cashier or asking someone a question. Even in my local, family owned grocery store I don't see this "marketplace" attitude. I doubt it exists anywhere outside of small communities nowadays in the US. Most people work 8 hours a day and hang out at home or in bars/coffee shops; we don't really want to hang out in a marketplace.
Note that I don't disagree with your overall point... I just don't think this is a good example.
My small local corner store is different, but then again they won't be replaced by an app anytime soon, exactly for that reason.
I miss the person who used to work at the Staples who always lit up my day when I needed to buy paper.
I will admit though - Whole Foods and Trader Joes' employees are some of the nicest and down to earth people I've ever met. They definitely add to the experience of shopping.
But it appears that Amazon still has those type of people that will roam the store - just not cashiers. And they are probably a lot more grumpy and treated like crap, 'cuz Amazon.
If you work from home, get Amazon deliveries, go to school online, etc... what will you do and what storefronts do you need? Are bars, restaurants and barbers enough?
One of my favorite anecdotes that makes me think... has our whole society evolved incorrectly?
"In 18th-century America, colonial society and Native American society sat side by side. The former was buddingly commercial; the latter was communal and tribal. As time went by, the settlers from Europe noticed something: No Indians were defecting to join colonial society, but many whites were defecting to live in the Native American one."[1]
[1] https://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/09/opinion/the-great-affluen...
Turns out that when you relieve people of the burdens of things they have to do (like grocery shopping, which is oftentimes tedious and boring), they now have more time and energy to do things they want to do. Instead of forced interactions at the grocery store, they'll go to a park and talk to people they actually want to talk to. Instead of spending an entire day going to Costco and shoving their way through the crowds, they visit a boutique store and stop for coffee at a local cafe.
Some of the comments in this thread are quite curious. Bemoaning the death of tedious chores and banal small-talk like these are things the general public actually enjoys doing rather than merely tolerates out of necessity.
But of course you don't see the people who are at home or in the suburbs (shudder). Loneliness and solitude seem to be growing as well. Maybe worst in Japan, but the problem also exists worldwide.
http://www.cnn.com/2016/09/11/asia/japanese-millennials-hiki...
I don't think that's true at all, except maybe in the sense that rich urban centers are crowded with inherited-wealthy young adults.
> visit a boutique store
Exactly. See above.
> stop for coffee at a local cafe.
Cafes are crowded because people don't like to be alone, even when they are doing an essentially alone activity (whatever is on the laptop everyone is sitting there with).
Funny thing about the truth is that it doesn't matter if you think it's true or not. It's still true. I make a living traveling for work, and I make a hobby of finding out small downtown areas and visiting them, and there's never a shortage in basically any thriving region of people out and about doing things they want to be doing.
You can point to some dying towns and say "look, these guys closed the business so that disproves your point" but forever in the history of forever, towns have been growing and towns have been shrinking. As one place wins, another necessarily loses.
Visit the Lake Michigan beach in Saugatuck MI, walk the riverwalk in Little Rock AR, head down Broad Street in Lake Geneva WI, grab a beer at Reclamation Brewing Company in Butler PA and tell me people don't socialize anymore. Grab some wings at Chase's in Norcross GA and tell me you'd rather talk about the weather with a stranger at Walmart than eat great food and have a real conversation with Chase's mom on the patio in the cool Georgia night air.
Small talk at Whole Foods isn't socializing. You want people to talk to? Go to where you want to be, and there will be people who want to be there too, and guess what, you already have a conversation starter.
The point the parent was making is that these bustling public areas you're seeing are primarily made up of affluent young people, and are not actually representative of how the majority of society lives.
You have offered no counterpoint to that at all, and yet still chose to start your comment with a rude dismissal.
What's rude is people saying "Amazon is killing all social interaction" while not stopping to wonder why all of their social interaction is small talk at a Walmart. That's the problem. Again, like I've said over and over and over and over and everyone ignores to nitpick, that's not social interaction. That's small talk. I have no idea why you're treating standing in a checkout lane like it's the Roman Forum.
So your comment checks that box perfectly. Whining about the death of tradition is basically the "free" square in Hacker News Bingo.
I'd say there's going to be even _more_ opportunities for social interactions at grocery stores like Amazon Go.
To your point, though, the "marketplace" you're talking about is the ambiguity between the consumer and the worker, aka Marx's point about the commodity fetish. That's something that's existed since the late 1800's, though. I don't think that's going away anytime soon.
Although I can see something similar to a farmer's market run in the same format as Amazon Go. I haven't thought through all the edge cases yet, but it feels like a solvable problem.
I think you’re dramatising what is a natural step as shopping evolves with technology. If you value social interaction you can always spend more time with friends you appreciate, go to public spaces, head to the bar. The supermarket has hardly ever been a source of good times anyway.
Good?
I'm an introvert. I don't value random, superficial interactions with people I'll never talk to again. In fact, they cause me anxiety & I dislike them.
I do value the time with a select group of people.
And by reducing the time I spend in the supermarket it allows more of the human interaction I do value.
My social group has a wide assortment of views, from Muslim to Catholic to Athiest, to #TrumpTrain2020 to #NotMyPresident.
I've never witnessed nor heard of people having meaningful discussion with the checkout clerk. I've never seen nor heard of someone, after that brief interaction, saying "You know, you're right. I'll reconsider my position on the person of the opposing political party."
The statement marketplaces may have been true when we in the barter system, but it certainly hasn't been president in modern society for sometime. And I say that as someone who grew up in a town of 2,000 in the 70s and has lived in a large urban area for the last 20.
Every time I shop at my favorite store, I encounter InstaCart employees more than regular shoppers.
Even more so, technology for not having to interact with cashiers ever already exists: the self-checkout system. If I walk into a chain store like Meijer, people will be piled up at the self-checkout even if there is a completely free human cashier waiting for customers!
But even so, people are not checking out to socialize. Even what they do say isn't so substantial. Things move too fast, there's too many customers and too little time. How often do you remember the name of your cashier? How often are they still working there a year later?
Amazon's store actually represents a potential departure because as they say, they introduce humans in ways they think will improve the customer experience. Quote:
>“We’ve just put associates on different kinds of tasks where we think it adds to the customer experience,” Ms. Puerini said.
So there are people. And those people, with their hopefully less hectic roles, are almost certain to interact with customers in ways that will be more meaningful than the overworked cashier with a line of 10 carts and a full bladder. And perhaps, if the job doesn't suck (unlike many of Amazon's jobs, unfortunately,) they might actually stick around to become a normal you can interact with.
Of course, that's completely just conjecture. I actually believe Amazon's store will be around the same as any other in terms of the social value you get out of it, which is to say minimal at best. If people actually had meaningful value to get out of visiting marketplaces in modern times, they'd look forward to it instead of looking for how to eliminate it.
If you mean "the coffee shop" (there's a long history there) or "the pub" (a longer history, in the western tradition there) sure, I agree. I'm not saying randos approach me all the time when I'm in those sorts of places, but it happens. It doesn't happen at the grocery store hardly at all.
It happens a lot more often in the ride sharing services than even the pub; Yesterday I took my Saturday afternoon ride to Fry's for sandwiches, (The Fry's Sunnyvale Cafe is passable. Not bad. Not as good as the dedicated food places on Murphy, say, but it is super nostalgic for me, so it's something of a weekend tradition.) and while nobody talked to me in the Fry's cafe (I mean, aside from the procurement of food. I have met other interesting people there in the past.) the driver actually apologized to me because he spent most of the ride there speaking with another rider in a foreign language, which was mostly interesting in that he seemed to think that I had some expectation of being included in conversation as he drove. But yeah, I talk to the drivers often, a lot more than talking to strangers in retail spaces.
I guess what I'm saying is that social spaces need space for idling. Sitting in the back of the car does this, as does serving food or drink. Buying groceries, I think, does not.
The real lamentation is that the lack of interaction is perhaps less of a "choice" and more of a necessity for many people. Casual socialization is becoming a privilege reserved for the people who can afford to indulge. Everyone else is too busy getting by, and will choose the path of least interaction because they can't afford the inefficiency. Economic pressure over generations may make introverts of us all.
In fact, I can't think of any staff I interact with less than a cashier at a convenience/grocery/big-box store. Except maybe toll workers, a job that is already becoming automated.
The place I interact with people the most is at a farmer's market by a large margin
Compare this to our existing society: most of the people that you're expected - in fact, required (at work etc) - to interact with, are strangers. Most of our communication protocols deal with various aspects of that.
With this kind tech, we retreat back to our comfy bubbles of familiar people that we've known for a long time, and away from the strangers.
Today, retail is a near-zero-skill job that's manned by people who are either young or uneducated. When I worked retail between high school and college, I remember there being a glaring mix of people like me who were transitioning through it and lifers who'd been there for a decade or more. And you could see it in the interactions with customers. When dealing with the younger employees, customers often adopted an avuncular style that's used when dealing with people of the same class but different generation. But when I'd see people talk to the lifers, the interactions were more mechanical and less personal. It was almost as if customers felt that there wasn't any shared context and so a conversation that went beyond the immediate transaction was pointless.
I contrast this with my experiences going to farmer's markets. There, vendors are viewed much more as equals. They're largely respected and often own their own business. It's much more common to see people having conversations that feel like they're between equals than it is to see those conversations at a traditional supermarket.
Seems like the total investment in this store/technology is probably in the single digit digit millions (or maybe low double digit).
If it doesn't work? Lose, ~$10 million. But if it works there's likely huge upside. It's just a smart bet for a big company. Sometimes your bets turn into AWS, and sometimes they turn into the Fire phone. Most companies I've worked at are very risk averse, and failure on startup type projects is not really accepted the same way.
The checkout system was the failed promise of RFID[1], and maybe the future is still with RFID. But maybe it's with vision, and if it is, then Amazon seems well positioned.
BTW, the rudimentary math I'm doing. Let's say the store saves two checkout people, working on average 20 hours a day for 365 days a year, who each average cost of $15/hr. $15/hr 20 hours365 days*2 people = $219k savings per year. How much does the system cost to setup in a new store? How much extra effort is there to keep food items organized? If you need someone checking IDs, managing errors, etc, is there really savings? Maybe the only way this really scales is if you can do this for full size stores?
It was much more than that. They bought Whole Foods which was worth 13 billion.
It may, one day, but to link the cost of buying Whole Foods to the cost of development of Go is inaccurate.
I knew people who left to go work on this project in I'm going to say early 2013. Lots of them. Assume Amazon put 100+ engineers on it, each probably making 200k/year in total comp. For five years. So that's a low ballpark of $100 million just for the engineer salaries. Now add in hardware, real estate, etc.
This was not a $10m project. But this is Amazon, where big investments in crazy ideas that might fail is normal. Just look at that friggin' Fire Phone.
Edit: and for the record, all those people who left to work on it were bastards and wouldn't tell us what they were building. Not even if you bought them beer.
I honestly think you're underestimating this by an order of magnitude. Salaries, market research, prototype hardware for a project of this type in $10 million? Not a chance.
Or in other words, people will get a different job, and there will be winners and losers, but on AVERAGE everyone's lives will be way better (as has been proven for the last 50 years).
I wonder if this endless line thing is something typical in the US. I've been to many European countries and other than before Christmas, you never feel like staying in line is something to even think of, because the longest you usually wait is maybe 5 minutes.
In Switzerland, now that in many shops you get to scan the cart yourself (after shopping or during it) there is just no congestion at all, even on a busy Saturday.
How is it in your countries?
It's off topic but I am annoyed that every device has to beep at me constantly
I've seen great strides in recent years to advance self checkout technology and its user flow. Walmart is my favorite example of this, my local one having almost half of the area devoted to self checkout. It seems to have been successful for them so far. I don't see anyone having a hard time operate them and perhaps more surprising, it's filled me with the idea that I can pop in and out of a big store on a busy day to just buy 1 item.
Why don't the customers scan the items themselves as they put them into their carts while at the shelves, rather than waiting until they get to the checkout? That's what we do where I live in the UK.
Wal-Mart has a nice cordoned-off maze to keep the line under control - a simple solution that works perfectly.
FWIW, in Basel (Switzerland) there are often large queues at the weekends/late evenings in the (only) two supermarkets which are open, despite self-checkouts. They are relatively small stores near the station, and serve very high demand driven by Switzerland's opening-time restrictions.
>“We’ve just put associates on different kinds of tasks where we think it adds to the customer experience,” Ms. Puerini said.
https://www.recode.net/2018/1/21/16913984/what-does-photos-a...
I don't think there can be any floor sensors there. There may be inventory-counting shelf sensors, I have no idea. There definitely isn't RFID. Looks like massive camera arrays in the ceiling.
Using cameras and shelf sensors seem a little archaic for tracking retail purchases in real time. I wonder what happens when the store is extremely busy or people are taking things off shelves and putting them back.
I presume the shops are set up as a sort of VC-funded experiment that will accept a high level of theft in return for a lot of useful data and early positioning in this type of retail.
The other interesting aspect is that the larger of the stores is set up very much as an experiential shopping environment, including a meat counter with chefs that will cook a steak or burger for you, and the same for sea food (you can buy shrimp or a lobster and they will cook it for you so you can eat it in the store, it is very popular).
I consider that strictly inferior, not "one step forward." The genius of Amazon Go is that no scanning is involved. You just take things off the shelf and they're automatically charged to you as you walk out.
However, the Amazon Go solution is even more seamless, more quick, and more natural.
> ordinary RGB cameras, custom made with boards in the enclosure to do some basic grunt computer vision work, presumably things like motion detection, basic object identification, and so on. They’re augmented by separate depth-sensing cameras (using a time-of-flight technique, or so I understood from Kumar) that blend into the background like the rest, all matte black. The images captured from these cameras are sent to a central processing unit.
> In addition to the cameras, there are weight sensors in the shelves, and the system is aware of every item’s exact weight
Jobs and social interaction have already been elminated by self-checkout. The revolution with Amazon Go is that you don't need to scan anything yourself, not that it removes the cashier.
You should do that anyway to help out the cashier. It's common courtesy. Amazon Go obviously gets rid of it though.
O_O
To be honest, I've never done that, and I'm surprised that It's common courtesy. I don't think I've ever been in a situation where I had a chance to help the cashier to find the barcode. What I do myself is placing items on the conveyor belt, putting items into the bags after checkout. Was I being impolite? What's the cashier's job then? Pressing the scan button...?
My guess is that there was a much larger amount of loss at self-checkouts, especially given the amount of produce WF sells (e.g. I bet you would see the ratio of organic to conventional sales much lower at self-checkout lanes)
Didn't see this mentioned anywhere, and I thought it was kinda neat.
(what about people without phones?)
In a world where services that require phones are dominant, choice narrows for elderly and low income persons.
Not having a phone is definitely a big worry. Not all people even have a smart phone, even in the US, and of the people that do a lot don't have credit cards. One feature we're working on is a fully anonymous and phone-free checkout process if you don't have a phone. You walk up to a kiosk that tells you what you have and then you just insert your cash.
[edit] I don't think that's how Amazon implements it at the moment; it just doesn't seem like there's an inherent limitation in the technology that would require customers to have phones. It's just that it's only open to Amazon employees at the moment, so pretty much every "customer" is guaranteed to have a phone.
- Carry empty bags/containers of cheaper items in the store and place products inside these before pulling them off of the shelf.
- Pull products off of the shelf and give them to a friend. Place identical empty bags/containers back to re-credit your account while your friend never has the item debited and walks out.
- Drape a blanket over yourself and remove products from the shelf and put them in your bags so the system never sees items removed from the shelf
They likely have people watching the cameras full-time and will just report you to the cops if they see sleight-of-hand, now with identification and an address since you have to show your Amazon account when walking in. This is probably forever tenable to the bottom line since they're eliminating cashiers and security folks aren't paid that much more than cashiers anyway.
There's also probably a healthy amount of resolution and numerous camera angles that it'll be impossible for your face to not be picked up. Even using a fake account, you're still likely to have something Amazon-related installed on your phone that can be traced back to a telecom account.
And really, none the effort to avoid getting caught/traced is worth it to steal some bags of chips.
Why? Just add it to the order.
But yeah, the cops tend to frown on shoplifting. It's actually a crime in many places, believe it or not.
Like it or not, this Amazon Go store is a model for all future brick and mortar establishments. In 20 years we will recall the good old days when we waited in line and used cash much like people look back at the time when people sent cards and letters before email.
Are RFID tags not a more elegant solution? Or are they too expensive?
As for what they look for that's the secret sauce but there's a few things that are pretty clear from descriptions. They seem to be using mainly (only?) cameras for the identification. Luckily branding is pretty prominent so they have a pretty convenient thing for their item labeling to look for in the feeds. For cart shopping there's some simple things like tracking people with their faces from when they enter then adding items to their cart when they move an item outside a defined shelf region.
Your hand would be out of view of the ceiling-mounted cameras so it can't see directly (covered up by the shelf above). Your arm would be in the strawberry opening but you'd pull out a cinnamon. Is it's vision system good enough to tell the difference from the packaging, or does it just go off position when you pull it off the shelf?
Why is this the knee-jerk response to technological progress?
True progress isn't forcing millions of people into low-wage routine work. True progress would emancipate people from this drudgery entirely.
Isaac Asimov questioned why the goal of both the left and the right is always "full employment":
"The goal of the future should be full unemployment, so we can play. That’s why we have to destroy the present politico-economic system."
Maybe because our society isn’t ready for such changes. The American system especially lacks safety nets and social security systems to support those without a job. The way things are now is that one needs to have a job to be able to “play”.
One solution would be to tax the robots that replace the working class. Otherwise the only ones to gain are the ones who own the robots.
Our society has been killing jobs with automation for the past 150 years or so. Think of all the jobs that don’t exist anymore because of your fridge, dishwasher, washing machine, car, etc. Before alarm clocks, people used to get paid to go yell in front of your house for 10 minutes until you got up. Before cars, there were tons of people living off horses as a transportation medium. Before automatic doors in the trains there was one employee in each coach to close them. Pretty much every complex object you touch nowadays has killed jobs when it first appeared.
But it’s certainly being viewed as a costsaving measure by Amazon.
They were completely forgotten by society, government, and the private enterprise as the spoils went to the top 20%.
What about this particular shearing indicates a difference in the way "progress" is made?
This sounds like a "Let them eat cake" response. What do you propose is the solution then for giving these people a viable lifestyle if they don't have any competitive skills? A lot of potential ideas, like basic income, have been discussed on HN, but this should be considered a pretty scary problem because there aren't any immediately obvious solutions.
It would be amazing if McDonalds fully automated their stores and allowed their current employees to work one day a week for the same pay they receive now, but we both know that's not how it would work out.
And it always will be until there is stimulus to change. Government - large systems in general - don't change the other way.
How about a future where the masses live like Amish, but with more free time. Sure you can play... but exactly what does that mean is a different question. I imagine housing developments in rural areas that cost very little and very little economic activity takes place there. Like for instance say small houses for 1 or 2 people for $25k in the middle of nowhere which you can support on your 20k minimum income. Place provides very few municipal services as well to keep the costs down.
So, now when people are all out there 'playing', the ones enabling the playing still have to work. Good luck encouraging people that is a good idea, when they could just quit and go play themselves.
because people lose jobs and then they elect people who promise to bring back jobs.
the online shopping experience has none of this, which is why I think grocery delivery has not yet taken over. Food is visual and visceral, and doesn’t lend itself to drop-down menus.
I don't want to step in shop at all, I want my grocery delivered to my door and the delivery guy/drone can on the way out throw my trash. I was doing this in China (it helps to live in city with concentration of 20 million people), they even offer the throwing trash service though didn't went further into that step
It's interesting Boeing out employees Amazon still in Washington. I also didn't realize Intel's Hillsborough office was that big! At least compared to their office in Folsom.
Judging by the area of the city that Amazon Go is in and the ubiquitous housing nearby. I suspect this is the model they're going for.
I dont understand what the role of money is in this situation if its taken to its logical conclusion. I bet Jeff Buysus wants to keep it there, however..
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_surveillance_in_the_Unite...