Having been poor, then living on $750/month in US for many years, a $1000 bonus is not life changing but also not laughable.
The companies certainly didn't have to give those and could have pocketed all of it.
> large lay offs in two cases (Walmart and Comcast).
Are those because of the tax incentives?
Decreasing taxes on retained profits increases the incentive to cut any activity that is a short term loss rather than trying to turn it around.
Because business expenses are deductible from corporate “income” taxes, they are functionally retained profits taxes.
So, yes, the tax cuts incentivized the layoffs.
So lower taxes means people are laid off, higher taxes means they are laid off. What tax structure would give them an incentive _not_ to lay people off?
They are basically closing off 60 Sam's Clubs. When is the last time you went to Sam's Club? Do you know anyone who goes there regularly? I don't. I had membership many years ago. Many will be converted to e-distribution centers. Guessing this has little to do with taxes and more to do with new year reorg to compete with Amazon. Otherwise, what would you do? What kind of incentives would you give to Walmart to save those Sam's Club workers?
But for rich and poor alike, a layoff is definitely life-changing....
Agree there, no doubt, most people would rather have a job than a $1000 bonus. But what does that mean in this context? Should Walmart keep those 60 Sam's Club stores open at a loss to avoid laying people off? Should the government subsidize them? Maybe it should break apart Amazon because a lot of those location will become e-distribution centers.
What would you have done. How would you have saved those Sam's Clubs workers? I am curious, not being sarcastic or tricky? I'd suggest breaking Amazon into regional companies like they did with AT&T. Or maybe breaking AWS away from Amazon-retail business.
That's up to a $1000 bonus. That's if you've been working there for 20 years.
They have a total of about 250k employees worldwide: https://www.att.com/Common/about_us/pdf/att_btn.pdf.
Pretty sure there 80% of their workforce are not district supervisors and store managers.
Comcast said it paid the bonus to 100k employees "that are eligible and not in executive roles".
> So I'm not happy for them because they don't exist.
Good news, I think I found them!
> Comcast said it paid the bonus to 100k employees "that are eligible and not in executive roles".
But neither did they say they were making min wage. And then ...
> Good news, I think I found them!
You aren’t making a valid inference here, it honestly feels like something Trump would claim.
AT&T has a lot of door-to-door people: technicians, sales "consultants". Also people in call centers. Those are a lot closer to minimum wage than what you are implying - that only managers and big wigs got those bonuses.
> You aren’t making a valid inference here
The claim was you couldn't be happy for them because basically only managers got those. I did some legwork and found that it's probably not true. You were looking for a reason to cheer and be happy for them, so I found one.
> it honestly feels like something Trump would claim.
I usually prefer a conversational style with exclamation points and allegories. But I think you're not in the mood for that. Sorry, I should be more formal perhaps.
Also not sure why we are talking about Trump?. But since you brought him up (invoked the Devil's name!). Do you think he is responsible for these tax cuts and the bonuses or it is mostly a charade?
For 20+ year employees.
At 10 years the bonus was, IIRC, $190. IMHO, "laughable".
Sure we are all software developers expecting 6 figure salaries, RSUs, options and $50k bonuses every year, $1000 is nothing, I get it. Though someone working at an AT&T store in Columbus, OH or Kansas would be quite happy to get $1000. it's disappointing and I'd wish they all had large salaries and thought $1000 is insulting just like we do.
In general we would rather have free healthcare, and other things we like to talk about here, but those probably are not going to happen in this country at his point in time. But why not be happy for these people at least or say that it is nice for Apple to pay some taxes and invest in US as opposed to stashing it away for another 20 years.
What companies are doing is exactly what they were expected to do: make some "feel good" moves for a bit to validate the tax plan as a "resounding success" until the midterm elections, then do whatever they want. I've seen these incredible displays of "corporate goodwill" after tax breaks like this to know they are always temporary and self-serving (I grew up in a country where these "booms" happened like clockwork every 8 or so years.)
> The companies certainly didn't have to give those and could have pocketed all of it.
Now imagine if the tax give-away would have gone completely to workers.
That would be life changing.
Source: http://money.cnn.com/2018/01/11/news/economy/tax-law-raises-...
Any source for that assertion?
Please don't; it breaks the HN guideline against name-calling in arguments. Your comment would be fine without the first, and perhaps also the last, sentence.
Crappy articles and solid articles don't map to entire sites very easily. Even highly politicized sites or low grade tabloids sometimes produce the kind of pieces we want here. We moderate HN for article quality, not website or publication quality.
If that's what this big hoopla ultimately amounts to then it will be highly disappointing. The fact that we are celebrating $1000 bonuses from corporations that have been enjoying record profits (for the most part) recently is disheartening. Something is better than nothing I guess.
There have been a few announcements of actual wage increases that corporate PR departments have tried to attribute to the tax cuts, but in every one I've looked at, it was clear the wage increase was just the result of normal market forces and dressed up to pretend it was the result of tax cuts. For example, a few banks (including Wells Fargo) announced a minimum wage increase to $15/hour, but Bank of America announced that same change at the end of 2016, before any tax cuts.
They’re certainly good for PR, and perhaps that’s the primary intention, but employees are benefitting from it.
Now, if Walmart gave everyone who worked there a $1 raise. With about 1.5 million full-time employees working around 1700 hours per year (US average 2016) that would mean about $2,550,000,000. So that bonus is almost equivalent to a temporary raise in terms of benefits.
That is just for full-time employees. A blanket $1 raise would probably come out to about $4,000,000,000 each year that Walmart may not have if the tax cuts are removed by the next administration, which they very well could be.
It's sad that it's one time. It was probably the quickest way to reward people around the holidays. For many it's a few car payments and maybe a month worth of rent. Yeah it is peanuts for anyone living in on the coasts or writing software or both.
> Only workers with 20+ years of service are getting $1,000.
Walmart wasn't the only company which did it. Sure it was a PR stunt just as much, and it would be nicer to have other things like universal healthcare, but at this point that's a nice fantasy and this is something that made people's live better.
The criticism of these companies then is that they have just received massive financial windfalls via the GOP's tax cut programs and have portrayed normal corporate activities as signs of corporate largesse due to the tax-cut they've received. Should we tie the layoffs announced by these firms to their tax-cuts as well?
Walmart, for example, has struggled for years to attract employees due to the low wages they offer, wages so low that a good percentage of their labor pool is subsidized by taxpayers. When you combine that situation with the massive lay-offs and closures of Sam's Clubs the raising of wages seems to be less a generous overture driven by the tax-cut than perhaps a recognition that they must offer higher wages or continue to stagnate and fail.
I've also read that the bonus offered by AT&T is on the low-end of the bonuses offered every holiday to their employees. That's anecdotal though.
This is a bit of a reductio ad absurdum, but the point here is, what cost are we willing to pay as a society in exchange for the $1,000 one-time bonuses? This hypothetical law would be a terrible precedent for businesses, but would it be worse for the people receiving these bonuses than the actual tax plan?
And in order to answer whether it would or wouldn't, we need to look at the merits of the actual tax plan's substance, not the fact that it has (supposedly) caused people to get $1,000 bonuses.
[0] - https://www.cnbc.com/2018/01/11/walmart-to-boost-starting-wa...
Walmart's Sam's Club business is not doing well in competition with Costco. It hasn't been doing very well for years now. You'll notice the Think Progress article avoids any discussion of the context of the Sam's Club business from which the workers were fired.
Here's the hint: Sam's Club closed 63 locations. Do you think they did that to save money on the workers? They didn't just fire workers at the locations, they closed 63 locations.
[1] https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-01-11/wal-mart-...
[2] https://www.google.be/search?q=number+of+employees+walmart
And we tech people wonder why so much of the country scoffs at our echo chamber. Maybe you've never been on the lower rung of income, but an extra $40/month can be a big deal to a lot of people. Typical median household income in 2017 was $59k, so a 2% increase is meaningful.
But don't let me get in the way of your political narrative.
Let's see what actually lands in whose bank accounts before we raise the praise flags.
$1000 is a gigantic bonus for people.