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I'm not asserting that scarcity or effort alone create value, but without those two components you won't have value.

So not everything that is limited is valuable, however everything that is valuable is limited.

Just imagine if someone figured out how to engineer gold out of thin air, the value of gold would drop instantly.

> I'm not asserting that scarcity or effort alone create value, but without those two components you won't have value.

That's literally exactly what you asserted:

> The opposite of this is where Bitcoin derived it's value. First there is a fixed number of Bitcoin, so you can't simply make more past a point. Secondly, the effort required to mine Bitcoin increases over time.

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