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I didn’t know that there are places on the world where glass bottles are not used several times. Even some PET bottles are used several times in Germany. I’m drinking Coke out of one of those right now. You can even crudely gauge how often one has been used by how clear it is. (Mine looks pretty new.)

Wikipedia tells me that those PET bottles are used about twenty times (and then they are recycled). They were introduced in Germany in 1990 by Coca Cola.

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Where I live in the US, there is no bottle reuse, as far as I know. In fact, while we have recycling pickup, the city will not pickup glass at all because it is considered too dangerous for the workers. If you want to recycle glass, you have to take it yourself to a recycling center.

In the past (30+ years ago?) glass bottles were routinely reused before plastic and aluminum containers were widespread.

In general all of the schemes for recycling and bottle reuse vary by state and city in the US.

Now that I think of it, there are glass bottles in Germany which are not reused, wine and liquor. Actually those are the only two next to beer which still commonly use glass bottles. Everything else is pretty much PET, nowadays probably already mostly not reusable (despite a mandatory deposit for all bottles, no matter if reusable or not). It will be very hard for you to find anyone selling aluminum cans, though.

The only place I've seen reusable plastic bottles has been in Germany. Are they used elsewhere in Europe?

Also, it seems that most of the drink cans I've seen in Germany are steel rather than aluminum.

I have also only seen reusable PET bottles in Germany, but haven’t looked very closely elsewhere in Europe.

You are right about the cans as I just learned. I always just assumed that every can is a aluminum can but Wikipedia tells me that tin cans are also common. I honestly wouldn’t be able to tell the difference. (Wikipedia illustrates its article about cans with two tin cans [1]. If you had asked me what material they were made of without showing me the caption I would have told you aluminum. Clearly visible FE in a circle be damned.)

Another interesting tidbit from that Wikipedia article: cans might be on the rise again in Germany. 700 million were sold in 2009 (a bit less than 9 per person), 1 billion is the projection for 2010 (a bit more than 12 per person). The US number for 2009 seems to be 96 billion [2], that’s about 320 per person.

[1] http://de.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Datei:Getraenkedos...

[2] http://www.cancentral.com/members/pdf/CMI2009AnnualReport.pd... (PDF)

Most of the plastic bottles sold in Finland were reusable up until 2008 or so, but now that the tax levied on non-reusable containers has been removed, most of the bottles appear to be of single-use variety.

According to PALPA, those single-use bottles do get returned (89%) nearly as well as the sturdier ones did. They just aren't reused as such but in production of plastics.

Finnish numbers:

Aluminum cans: 92% recycled (Germany 96%, Belgium 93%)

Glass bottles: nearly 100%

Plastic bottles: 89%

To reuse a aluminum soda can you need only 5% of the energy used to make the can.

97% of beverage bottles are recycled in Finland. Glass bottle gets reused on average 33 times.

Finland seems to be the world leader in this area.

Joining the Finnish beverage recycling scheme is very expensive. The industries own PALPA. If you want to join, you'll have to pay upfront your share of the investment expenses which the other have paid previously. The bottle stock is also very expensive. Materials plus 0,20€ per 0,33-0,5 litre bottle, 0,40€ for 1-2 litre bottle or 0,15€ per aluminum can. For example the German retail giant Lidl chose not to join this scheme. They do recycle their own bottles, but you can't return their bottles anywhere else.

cans make some kind of comeback. thez were always there for energy drinks (red bull etc) and beer (5,0 , holsten..) and i see them more and more (in small quantities) for coke/pepsi etc.

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