CES 2018: Look to the Processor, Not the Display, for TV Picture Improvements
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Also:
"Samsung, though it didn’t tout a new processor, promised that all its gadgets, big and small, will be a lot smarter this year—and will, by 2020, be using AI and talking to the cloud."
Fully compliant with all major buzzwords. Also employing a black box user surveillance engine.
The only source I was able to find were random brands from China, and commercial displays from companies like NEC. Unfortunately commercial displays are optimized for longevity and not picture quality :/
If anyone knows where I can get a decent dumb TV please share.
But that's just an anecdote.
For a TV, I got a TCL Roku TV this past Thanksgiving (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B06Y6FSV5Q/). It's been pretty good, because TCL just made the hardware (and is good at it), and the OS is Roku. I've heard complaints about it but (and myself find some features very rigid) but Roku's interface is simple and stable. I haven't had an app or the OS crash on me in a month or so.
Those are the best products! :)
I've got newer Vizio's with Chromecasts connected to them... no issues with them being disconnected.
Even if you do keep it disconnected, there's no guarantee that a badly behaved update process or app won't interfere with the normal operation in some way.
I'm sure there do exist models that are perfectly fine in offline mode, but it's still a lot of (very opaque) room for things to go wrong in ways that a "dumb" display won't have.
But, even then it can be annoying. If I happen to press on the smart key on my remote, by mistake, the TV then takes ages to check that indeed there is no connection, with a large and unescapable message dialog.
Bad design decisions all around.
I plug the TV into a HTPC so I really don't need any smart TV feature, ever.
There is really nothing valuable that Android TV could get from manufacturer these days, only potential issues.
Maybe for me it's easier since I just use it as PC projector and watch content from it, don't have set top box connected to it at all.
- Use high end best binned panels (lowest possible image retention for OLED, etc)
- Traditional LCD models would have very high standards for backlight consistency
- Do little to no image processing
- Be designed around being hooked up to external media boxes
- Have a nice modern OSD text
- Allow you to use your phone as a remote via Bluetooth (and control other media center components via IR cables and HDMI commands)
- Not have any means of internet connection or any other smart functionality whatsoever
Effectively, they’d be to TVs as studio monitor headphones are to audio. Enthusiasts would jump all over something like this despite inflated prices, I have no doubt.
Have several studio monitors. Can confirm.
if they priced dumb TVs higher than their smart TVs, it would signal the negative value of the "smarts" in the TV, so they don't want to do that.
so none of the electronics manufacturers really want to sell dumb TVs to the mass market, since it would be akin to committing corporate suicide (in that particular product category).
of course one way around this is to brand a technical feature (as with sony's trinitron back in the day) and make that carry the value premium in the dumb TV, which would be how you'd approach the enthusiast segment you mention.
[0] https://www.theverge.com/2017/8/2/16083238/vizio-smartcast-r...
It's missing the "blockchain" and "cryptocurrency" buzzwords.
From now on, I will interpret this being the first idea floated as the use for some IoT tech as "we have no f'ing clue what we're going to use this for".
Thirty years ago, this problem was perhaps unsolved. Now it's solved in at least two ways, with tablets and voice interactions, and those are better.
Sorry, Sony, Samsung, etc, there is no way my TV, which is in the ENTIRELY WRONG ROOM, is going to wedge its way into my recipe workflow, and if that is the best idea you have, as evidenced by it being the first idea mentioned in this article... you have no ideas. Note how even in the example I quote above, WTF is the TV doing in that interaction flow in the first place? What I should be "asking" what is in the fridge is my cell phone, and by extension since they share OSes, optionally a tablet.
(The core problem here is that Smart TVs are now mature. Ignoring surveillance and privacy issues, what we need are just more responsive UIs, and preferably, some sort of plan for how we're going to maintain these TVs in the future because especially at the high end these things are too expensive to be treated like cell phones that don't get updates after a year and a half. But that sure doesn't win any CES awards.)
Then consumers wonder why due to software support obsolescence that their working TV becomes less functional after a few years.
So it is like Goodyear selling you a car with the tyres that they stop supporting way before the tyre is even close to end of working life.
There is actually. The Open Pluggable Specification [1] which is primarily used for digital signage screens. It's a shame consumer TVs don't use this standard (or something similar).
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_Pluggable_Specification
Refrigerator with a Twitter account is my personal favorite https://techcrunch.com/2011/06/21/samsungs-lcd-fridge-with-a...
It's like they have two wheels one with names of household appliances on it, the other with popular online services. Then they spin them and build the resulting combination: "toaster with a Facebook Account", "shredder that talks to Instagram", "lava lamp that posts to Reddit" etc.
What's worse, at this point people are so accustomed to the soap opera effect of these features that when they are turned off they think something is wrong. Try it at a friend's or relative's house – change their settings to turn off motion interpolation and noise removal and such, and I'm sure most will start thinking something's wrong with their set. It's sad.
I think the common nerd would love a dumb display with decent calibration etc. out-of-the-box, so he could just connect his favorite media-box and have fun for a reasonable price. But this isn´t where the profits are made!
edit: Because you could just replace your mediabox after a few years, when e.g. netflix stops playing on it. I´m really waiting for a new player who gives us this dumb high-quality display so many nerds are waiting for.
Or have DHCPd map them to static IPs and block those.
Either way, most people on HN can do this... and most TV purchasers aren't even aware that it's an option.
I realize a $2K+ setup is beyond the reach of all but hard core enthusiasts. Especially as Gigabit connection speed availability is all but required. But 4K video will probably remain the standard for the next 4-5 year time frame.
Isn't that what OLED is?
Roughly: Primarily carbon or carbon-hydrogen-based, often complex, molecules. If not naturally occurring in organisms, then made from the same "toolbox".
(The liquid crystals in LCDs generally are organic compounds as well, but traditional LEDs are not, thus the OLED distinction in that case)
I'd honestly pay extra for _less_ processing: give me a 65" dumb monitor with as little latency as possible, please.