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Basically, the total market value of the coin should be the maximum USD (or any other reference currency) that could be extracted by continuously selling (an unbounded amount) of the coin until the price approaches 0.
The price for any good is the marginal price. Essentially it's the price that should get paid for having a "single item" of the good change hands. Take a stock. MS stock may be quoted at 80$, but I guarantee that if you want 50% of MS stock, you'll have to pay more than 80$ per share.
So prices for large or much smaller quantities of the good change hands are different, and are not quoted unless required. (smaller than one would be still one, but only selling after the seller has to wait a long time). Since such transactions often substantially change the demand for the good, the fact that such a transaction exists often substantially changes the price.
This is true for cryptocurrencies, stocks, cars, shavers, toilet paper.
This manipulation makes the marginal price a potentially bad way of ranking different assets, especially when the market depth of the asset is relatively thin (i.e. on many CCs).
The point of the metric I gave was that it is more robust of a measure to manipulation than market cap. What do you think is the "value under liquidation" [0] (VuL) of XRP? BTC? probably significantly less than the market cap. The more interesting thing to do would be to try to estimate it for different cryptocurrencies and compare them (i.e. XRP vs ETH). That would be fairly difficult though, but perhaps an upper bound could be estimated, better than the trivial upper bound of market cap which assumes that the market impact of selling is 0.
The market cap of Google is 780 billion.
The value under liquidation of Google is (you can find this in their financial reports) ~100 billion. Even that is a vast overestimation of what it would fetch in a firesale, because it's assuming, for example, that with Google firesaling, the ad "inventory" would sell for what it's currently selling for. (There another 70 billion in "intangibles" (guess how much that fetches in a firesale)).
Granted that's pretty high (a company that pays dividends, like Microsoft, it'd be way less, and for insane stocks like Amazon ... let's not go there).
Which do you think reflects the value of Google ? It's an interesting question, and you can if you like get a bachelor, masters or PhD in various ways to answer that question.
But I would say there is no one good answer. Not for XRP, BTC, or for Google, not even for things like the US Dollar.
I haven't heard of nearly 100% of the world's billionaires or many of the top companies by market cap in the world. That doesn't mean they are bubbles. I haven't even heard of many of the world's currencies. They aren't bubbles either.
Ripple is 6 years old. So many other businesses have started and become huge 6 years later and not been a bubble. Was Google a bubble when it was worth tens of billions 6 years after it started?
With a single company to trade with, or a tiny cryptocurrency, you are trading with a very, very small fraction compared to an established global currency.
I find it amazing that people are not getting this.
Ok, so one of the problems things like bitcoin solve is that trust in the currency really encompasses trusting quite a few organisations, and these being trustworthy is only true up to a certain transaction size, and only on large averages. Basically, the issue is that banks can't be trusted, and therefore anyone big enough to make double-digit million value transactions can't be trusted (because they might be the bank, own the bank, or simply owe the bank a lot of money, ...). There are also more complex cases where governments get involved and muck things up (financial fraud, bankruptcy cases, tax investigations, ...). And there are other cases (terrorist financing, sanctions, ...).
All of those problems should not be the concern of merchants, but they are in practice, because governments have unilaterally decided that interfering without recourse in payment systems is the way they'll police the world. So they change payment streams (which are between 2 parties, say A and B, and they have some problem with A). Issue is always the same: B buys something from A. One of the parties in the chain, or a government, or the police, or ... has a bill for A, and halts the payment. A then claims (truthfully) non-reception of funds and refuses to deliver. B is left without recourse, without money, and without the good they paid for. Needless to say, nobody accepts responsibility for damaging B. But it gets worse.
So in fact this is one of the big advantages of cryptocurrencies, actually. With dollars (or any such currency), even if they're on your bank account they can disappear months later.
Essentially, large banks, judicial system and governments have the ability to impose their losses on others, in the "traditional" currency systems, and they use that ability too much, without caring who else they damage in the process.
When it comes to "if I have the money, I can trust that I actually have it" cryptocurrencies (all of them) are far superior to SWIFT (essentially all banks are part of SWIFT) in terms of what merchants consider trustworthiness.
There are other advantages that they also have. For instance, despite the complaints, bitcoin is still far faster than SWIFT.
And crypto exchanges, and all the other intermediaries you'll probably end up dealing with in practice, can be trusted?
I get the usefulness of a decentralized permissionless network for peer-to-peer transactions. But Bitcoin and most other cryptocurrencies today are looking pretty darn far away from that promise.
As long as your assets are in the cryptocurrency itself, and you're happy with that, there is no need to trust any intermediaries at all.
You can have local and international money transfer that safe, final and trustworthy. Money, of course, meaning bitcoin (or ether, or ...). That's a valid usecase.
That's the key.
They use XRP, the ripple crypto currency to hold the sender and receivers funds during the transaction.
See also this video that explains it really well => https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2YHhLkOO9g
and this one, which is more technical and explains their blockchain technology / xCurrent software. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bU79HunxJp8
Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/Ripple/comments/6jd9w6/this_is_the_...
It has a 60% premine that I will be using to attract people to the platform (lol).
So my current net worth is about $6T.
I'm not justifying its valuation, but your argument is fallacious.
It doesn't seem that difficult to cash out at least few billion with that kind of volume.
What? Where on earth did you get that? Because his girlfriend bought one for $10 from the story, you've now created the idea that she did the math, considers it a worthy investment and knows the full market cap? What if she just wanted $10 of entertainment for the evening by buying a silly coin and talking about it? That seems like a solid investment to me, much cheaper than a movie for example, and does not imply that she thinks the full value is worth $10T USD. She could easily be a rational investor who thinks no such thing.
A market composed of numerous entities trading large sums of money is a much better system to decide the price of something. One person making a single purchase for unknown reasons is not a "market".
- Ripple offers blockchain software aimed at banks, who use it for transaction settlement. These banks will use a private blockchain, obviously, that is separate from XRP.
- XRP are pre-mined. Ripple investors and team owned all 100B of them at the start. They can sell them off slowly, as long as there is enough demand at the current price they'll all be billionaires.
I think Ripple have two good things going, but buying XRP seems like too good a deal for them, not so much for the buyer.