Comment by jrochkind1 | Hacker News Reader

Comment by jrochkind1 | Hacker News Reader

Does Grid work in IE 10 or 11?

`caniuse` says "partial" support with prefixes in 11. Anyone have experience of how well it works, with prefixes, how "partial" or compatible the support is?

> I implemented this CSS Grid progressive enhancement on The New York Times Watching media card component. Users on old browsers see Bootstrap, but users on browsers that support the display: grid property

Okay... yeah, I don't want to do that. Workaround with bootstrap or flexbox that don't really do _quite_ what I want as well as grid does... are still better than having to do the workaround _and_ grid, to get all browsers.

> You’re absolutely ready to declare display: grid if you’re the only person contributing code.

I think it's the other way around. If you have a team big enough to do grid _and_ fallbacks with flexbox or float or whatever, you're ready for grid. If you're one person... you probably don't got time for that! If I got to do the good enough fallback anyway, I'd rather just be done then. At least if you're me. Sadly, so goes CSS improvements. In a couple years I can probably use grid. Hey, at least I can finally use flexbox, which is awesome too!

As I said in another post in this thread, I'm hoping Postcss and the autoprefixer plugin will work with at least IE11.

Is IE 10 even relevant these days? It seems that except for very outdated systems, everybody should have been autoupdated to IE 11 by now

If it works compatibly just with prefixes, that'll be fine. Heck, I don't mind writing the prefixes myself.

If it implements an incompatible old version or proprietary standard with too many edge and not-so-edge case differences, that's another story. Anyone have experience?

I also did not know that most IE10 users should be auto-updated to IE11, def gonna look into that more thanks.

> If it implements an incompatible old version or proprietary standard with too many edge and not-so-edge case differences, that's another story. Anyone have experience?

It implements a much earlier draft of the Grid spec, with a number of differences. You can't just throw prefixes on and expect it to work. That said, it might be possible to map 99.9% of cases automatically and have it work.

Everybody except some companies with systems locked to an older version because of legacy software they need to consume. Which also happen to be amongst your big clients and despite representing 5% in your analytics, represent 20% of your potential business.

Now what? Do you make your new site unusable for them? Or do you create a complex intricate fallback css which defies the purpose of using css grids?

Then yeah CSS grid is not right for that project. But not everyone is in that camp - and some are a bit of both. We have clients like yours and then many others that don't even need IE11 based on their stats. The money saved because we can use more efficient tech like CSS grid mean more time to add features!

(All our websites work in IE11 - they're just allowed to be "visually different from the approved designs" - it's a pretty good compromise for many clients!)

Def report back if you try doing stuff with grid that works in both IE11 and up to date browsers. I'm curious to hear how it goes from someone that did it.

I've done that with flexbox, and it worked out fine for me with both IE 10 and 11, even though caniuse notes "large number of bugs" in IE11 flexbox implementation. Wasn't really a problem with my implementation. But it sounds like grid might be a different story, where IE11 implements things to an older spec with significant differences.

In a similar situation (support for ie11 and a usable site in ie10) I’ve found the susy grid system (v.2) indispensable.

Incredible flexibility and precision with just a few lines of scss. I know that in a few years I’ll be writing pure css for grids, but until then it’s susy for me. I just don’t have the time or will to write multiple layers of redundant css.

Very relevant if you want to include China in your user base.

IE 10 is at 0.1% in the US and 0.16% globally, so no.

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