Whats interesting about this car is that even if its not driven a mile, many parts have to be changed as per a timetable. Merely changing the tires on this car costs $50k! https://youtu.be/EsKDGdcb6BQ
The McLaren takes this to an extreme, but this is not uncommon on cars in general. Even the oil needs to be changed if you haven't driven it. Tires rot just sitting there (think of tires as Li-Ion batteries; they rot whether you use them or not). Fuel lines get old and brittle whether fuel runs through them or not. Our VW van has the penalty of the thing burning to the ground if 45psi of fuel sprays on that hot exhaust, so I change them regularly whether they need it or not.
My wife's first motorcycle was something like ten or twelve years old. Only 4K miles! Which means it did a lot of sitting. Guess what I was doing the next winter? Replacing every seal and gasket while I had the engine on the kitchen table, because just sitting there the all rubber bits dried out and leaked like a sieve. It would have been better had the bike had closer to 20-30K miles on it, and it probably wouldn't have leaked (or at least not like a geyser).
Top it off with the fact that this car can go 231mph, and you want to make damned sure everything is up to snuff before you turn it loose. You want low-maintanence, turn-the-key-and-go, go buy a Toyota Camry. You want to go 231mph, even if you can afford the entry fee, know that annual dues are not cheap for that club.
Returning to car examples, the race build of sport car tends to be worse in top speed that its street version and favor braking/acceleration, simply because modern racing and racetracks put emphasis on cornering where driver skill and tactic is decisive, and not on long straights, where take overs result from top speeds.
Cars with more than 600hp or are tuned so well as to need less surely aren’t average. We’re taking at least $75k which really isn’t something an average person will ever be able to buy.
Sure you could probably build something with an engine capable of producing enough power— but I don’t think I’d want to do 200mph in a 96 Honda Civic.
Sure the average person hasn't gone that fast but if you want to it's not that big of a deal
These sorts of mods are common enough among drag racers, except most of them aren't optimizing for top speed.
If you want to buy a car like that new it will cost you a ton of money but second hand with a bit of searching you can find that kind of car easily, top speed of a car is irrelevant anyway, in this case it was simply a result of age, low mileage, budget and trim. And there is no way I am going to delude myself and think I am a good enough driver for speeds like that whatever the tires under it are.
Edit: not sure to which part of the comment you were replying, I probably misinterpreted it and you're talking about a sports car, not a Honda Civic. Still impressive but less crazy :)
The trick is that there is another regime for cars older than 15, for those cars you add 33% of their actual value to your income if they are company owned.
There is a small set of cars that are still viable after 15 years, that you can find with low mileage and whose actual value is low enough that there is substantial difference between 33% of that and 22% of the new value of a much newer car.
Low mileage old cars tend to be of a few brands only, it would be very hard to find an old Civic with few miles on it, I just checked and the lowest mileage Civic that is older than 15 years still has 100K+ km on it.
200 mph is pretty serious speed and people are interested what it is.
A Corvette or maybe a Porsche? Both seem a stretch at the price and age.
Agreed ;) Also, the number of Corvettes on offer of that age is super low and I don't like them to begin with. Porsche is nice but as you noted expensive as well as very expensive maintenance wise. I did look at a couple but could not find one in my price bracket that would last even a year without major repairs.
As an aside, has anyone else noticed how new posters are overwhelmingly pessimistic and reliant on dubious anecdotes?
There's a big transatlantic divide on this point. American sports cars tend to be relatively large and heavy, with huge torquey V8 engines and simple live-axle suspension. They're fast in a straight line, but they don't really handle in corners. European sports cars tend to be tiny and extremely lightweight, with a small and free-revving inline 4 and sophisticated independent suspension. They're not very fast, but they're incredibly agile and nimble.
If you want to learn to be a racing driver, you'll probably get taught in a Mazda MX5 Miata. It's the most popular entry-level racing car by a country mile. Mazda overtly based the Miata's design on classic British sportscars. In this kind of car, you can explore the limits of grip at non-lethal speeds. The lack of weight partly offsets the lack of power - you don't have a particularly high top speed, but you can carry a great deal of speed through a corner. Such a car richly rewards you for skillful and precise car control.
I now have a 3.4 Boxster S, which feels largely like a more grown up version of the MX5. Much, much quicker - put it in sports plus mode, fire up launch control, put the PDK gearbox into manual, switch off the traction control and it's a real blast, however, on public roads, it's simply scary at times. This is the real problem, it feels very anti-social (at best) to do that on all but the quietest of roads and outright illegal on most others. Hence I feel myself yearning for another MX5...
I have a car that handles well enough that it's popular for racing and it has always been a joy to drive, but the first time I drove a friend's very overpowered, automatic-transmission Corvette was quite an eye-opener. That's the kind of car where you can bend someone's mind with the performance without even breaking the speed limit, and without expending a lot of effort.
That's precisely why superlight cars with small engines and skinny tyres make sense.
Here in the UK, the normal speed limit outside of urban areas is 60mph. On a twisty country road, a base-model MX5 will start to come alive at well below that speed, especially in the wet. The basic engine is a 1.5 litre straight four producing 130bhp, so you can really use most of that engine on a public road.
It's more exciting because it's not very powerful - you need to give it plenty of revs and work through the gearbox to make progress. In a properly powerful car, you reach the speed limit before the engine has even had a chance to breathe. The tight handling and light weight allow you to carry that speed through a corner with confidence. Admittedly it does help if your country has roads with corners, which I understand may be hard to come by in some parts of the US.
There's a philosophical difference between making a car that adds some element of drama to your commute and making a car that's brilliant to drive just for the sake of driving. American enthusiasts are only just starting to fall in love with the hot hatchback thanks to the Fiesta ST, but here in Europe hot hatches have been hugely popular for decades.
Powerful enough that you can have serious fun in a straight line (0-60 in the high 4s or low 5s, say) but not so much that you can't have a decent thrash without getting into license-endangerment territory.
I've had a Golf R for about a year and have plenty of legal fun it.
There's no denying the Miata is an absolute gem. I am very happy that it is still made in this era of overpowered, huge cars and rocket-powered hatchbacks. Sacrilege: I know two different people who have shoehorned American V8s into early Miatas. Somehow I haven't driven that beast yet. I'm still not quite sure how it's even possible.
> Admittedly it does help if your country has roads with corners, which I understand may be hard to come by in some parts of the US.
On the other hand, you're at a great disadvantage in terms of population density. Finding a quiet road seems like it'd be a bit of a trick.
Surprisingly, it really isn't. We're extremely densely populated, but we also have very strict controls on sprawl. The UK has a peculiar planning policy called the green belt - there's a ring on the map around each city, beyond which any development is effectively prohibited. Outside of London, you're rarely more than half an hour away from open countryside.
For example, this road is about half an hour from the centre of Manchester, our third biggest city:
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@53.5976642,-2.0181352,3a,75y,...
As you might imagine, a Miata, a Caterham Seven or a classic Mini would be the perfect match for roads like that.
New posters are the next generation of old posters, that is unless they are driven off e.g. by being stereotyped.
This is one of those things I find that only people who really like cars understand. Most times I think people just buy the wrong car.
Anyway, what you said reminded me of these gems: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YlYTvjUR1jg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ALKTM7OzdMQ
Frankly, I have no idea how they get a tire to hold together at 231mph. I haven't sat down and gone "okay, tire is X mm in diameter, at 231mph, that's Y RPM, carry the one...", but I imagine there are some incredible forces trying to pull that tire apart at 231mph. And the poor thing has to keep it together well enough to negotiate a corner with added side forces added to an already stressful situation.
So for $50K [0] you'll assure me that the tread won't come unglued from the carcass while I'm traveling the length of a football field every second? Sounds like a bargain to me.
(Kept separate from my other comment to avoid digression.)
[0] EDIT: oops, $50K/set, not each
These are all ballpark values I have found by experince, and hersay at the track and on the street. I personally find Blizzak and Nokian to fare best in the winter tire niche. They are both good snow/ice hybrid design now, and often used in rally/rallycross.
[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Walker#Death_and_legal_re...
For any sort of performance or classic car, good tires are paramount, you are literally entrusting the car and your safety to the road contact and adhesion of each tire.
US dot tire age location: https://www.tirebuyer.com/education/how-to-determine-the-age...
Buy in 94 for 800k, maintain for 50k/year, then sell for 15M in 2015. That's ~13% IRR. Not bad.
Investment merits aside, it was the fastest production car on the planet and critically acclaimed for its engineering. [0]