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How can anybody actually support the current administration if this sort of thing is what is being pushed. how is this improving the world? how is this better? how is this good?

anyone?

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If I answer truthfully I'm going to be down voted and shamed, so I won't answer.

Instead, I'm going to continue to be part of the silent majority that supports him, but doesn't speak out because we are often falsely labeled as deplorables or worse.

Edit: people like me are what you get when society stifles free speech: unwilling to engage and so continuing in our beliefs silently. maybe you coastal elitists should stop shaming people for having different opinions and mental models of how the world works.

And if you dummies think that speech isn't being stifled, look no further than James Demore being fired for trying to figure out root cause analysis of why there aren't more women in tech

Edit 2: someone is going through my post history and downvoting. Good job, ladies, you're proving my point.

Edit 3: and now I'm not allowed to respond to people because I'm posting "too fast". Great.

I'm downvoting you anyway, not for supporting him, but for the faux martyrdom that contributes nothing to the discussion. We actually really need to hear from thoughtful people who support Trump if they're out there, because 99% of the vocal supporters I hear are batshit crazy. That could just be my bias, of course :)

Also, "majority"? He lost the popular vote and I believe he has the lowest 1-year approval rating of any modern President? What majority are you referring to?

The "majority" that believe voter fraud is massive and the deep state is real. Have you seen the comments on Trump's facebook posts?

You're going to be downvoted either way, because a post that just complains about theoretical downvotes gets downvoted on this site. So you might as well take the opportunity to explain.

It's also worth mentioning that the question GP is asking isn't really "how can people support the administration", as there's many, many answers to it. The real question is "how can people support this?".

And frankly, enlighten me. Do you support this?

Edit: I should also remind you that Trump is not supported by a "silent majority". Quite the opposite: Trump is supported and was elected by a vocal minority. His approval rating today is the lowest it's ever been according to 538's aggregations. It's time americans get their head out of the sand on this topic.

so you are willing to publicly support demore but not answer the original question?

Yes I support Demore.

It's not my fault you are purposely misunderstanding my comment in order to paint me as an idiot. You've obviously got an agenda.

i do not misunderstand what you wrote. and you still haven't answered the original question.

>silent majority that supports him

To be clear, Trump lost the popular vote (which is conducted with closed ballots so the silent majority can voice their opinion); and by all available measures has gotten less popular since then.

>And if you dummies think that speech isn't being stifled, look no further than James Demore being fired for trying to figure out root cause analysis of why there aren't more women in tech

Were you around HN when this happened. In my reccolection, there was a significant portion of HN that disagreed with the firing; and even many of those who defended the firing argued not that Damore was wrong, but that the PR against him justified the firing.

I am certain that my comments against the firing were well received (eg. upvoted) here.

Having said that, you are certainly correct that the left has its own anti-intellectual movement. It just hasn't penetrated into the political party as badly as it has on the right.

> were you around HN when this happened

Dude I've been around HN for almost 9 years.

And in that time this site went from pro free speech to downvote anything that isn't super left-wing progressive

HN is still pro free speech. Downvoting comments does not curtail free speech. Flagging them does (unless your definition of "free speech" stops at the First Amendment), but only for those who don't have "showdead" on. Maybe HN's way of highlighting downvoted comments encourages conformist behavior, but you can still write anything you want. You just might not find anybody willing to listen and agree.

>Edit 2: someone is going through my post history and downvoting. Good job, ladies, you're proving my point.

I just checked your post history. The only comments still eligible to be downvoted are in this thread.

Would you please stop violating the site guidelines and posting ideological rants to HN? We've asked you several times, like https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15023452 and https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14334771.

If you can't control yourself we're going to ban you, not because of your views but simply because you didn't control yourself. Please control yourself.

It might help to re-read https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html.

You are aware that many people said pretty much the same thing about many of Obama's initiatives and policies.

What's your point? Does that somehow give all future administrations carte blanche?

My point is that anyone can cherry pick something and turn it into a general "how can anyone support this administration" when of course the reality is more complicated. People who didn't like Obama did exactly the same thing.

so you are ok with the cdc not being allowed to use those words?

Your missing the point, and based on your other posts, your probably missing it on purpose.

i see the point of your statement. but it is not an answer to the original questions.

You have been judged guilty of thought crime.

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