Only 60 Years of Farming Left If Soil Degradation Continues
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And whomever says a millennium to make 30mm of topsoil knows nothing about the subject. I've seen nature make that much in less than a decade many times.
I agree the article is hyperbolic, but there's a wealth of research showing that this approach has long-term negative consequences on soil health and the crops themselves, leading to long-term declines in yields.
Not to mention the contamination of rivers and underground aquifers with nitrogen and potassium leading to widespread algal blooms deoxygenating rivers and leading to mass deaths in (literally) downstream aquatic ecosystems.
One thing the industrial approach ignores entirely is the community of bacteria that live in symbiosis with plants. This includes both nitrogen-fixing bacteria (which presumably we bypass by just adding nitrogen directly).
The better approach is to understand farming as part of greater ecosystem flows, and to work with the soil and not treat it as a barren Petri Dish.
Sure, nearly-dead soil can work fine for growing plants. But it results in less healthy plants and runoff, which then has a cyclical effect. The byproducts of petro-fertilizers end up in the environment, which then ends back up in animals and plants. By not relying on healthy bacteria and fungi to naturally infuse plant roots with the nutrients and water they need, we are only getting short term benefits of reliable production. In the long term we will end up slowly poisoning the ecology that we absolutely need to keep agriculture sustainable.
And we have 111ft of that kind of soil here in Iowa. It going to take a hell of a long time to go through that. Its been farmed since the early 1800's. And not all gone, not by far.
I didn't read any further after that, maybe the article does have something to say. But I doubt it.
I will give you the benefit of the doubt and believe that you may be on the top end of the world-wide average, but how does your 80 acres of usable soil help the rest of the world when push comes to shove?
So don't believe me if you like (though I could go dig a hole and take a picture of the black line that separates topsoil from subsoil), but its probably more outrageous to cling to the idea that somehow Iowa is at the top end of a curve that goes from 10 years to 1000 years.
You would have had a whole succession of different types of plants to slowly work the rock surface. Then humans show up, rip out all the trees that kept that hard-won top soil in place, and it all runs off out to sea in no time. Basically it's about places like Iceland, not Iowa, I guess.
EDIT: I was mobile earlier but wanted to throw a bit of a teaser in here. This book (along with Hager's "The Demon Under the Microscope) are excellent reads and I high recommend them.
Essentially, there were many "doomsday scenarios" wherein the context of the late 1800s was that vast supplies of natural fertilizer were used up and people were very worried about food supplies. Long story short, the "fixing" of nitrogen from the air not only alleviated the short term issues but also had a huge influence in wars and who was in power in the early 20th Century.
Consequently, this books ends with some pretty questions surrounding the impact of what all of this extraneous nitrogen might do long term—the impacts of which are already seen in rivers and streams... but the ocean and other areas as well.
Assuming scientists will come up with a new technology is a bad survival strategy. At this rate, we expect our children to find a way around climate change, ocean acidification and soil erosion. Mankind is one fat dude who'd rather dream about diet pills than stop eating.
Fossil fuel companies: bankrupt
Cheap Chinese goods: gone
Meat in every meal: nope
Cheap processed foods: gone
It would be a huge lifestyle change for everyone on the planet. Difficult, but certainly viable.
Edit: I'm not saying fossil fuel dependency is a good thing, but it's a fact of life, and any realistic proposal for moving away from fossil fuels needs to start with accurately understanding just how important they are.
Also, maybe the fact that we have to distribute food across the country is part of the problem. If food prices in areas that can't grow food nearby go up 100x then people will move.
It's pretty obvious that eventually we'll have to deal with these problems, but I don't see how society will start the process voluntarily. It's too disruptive and there is no financial incentive to do so. (And even if one country decides to, then they lose out relative to every country that decides not to, so it really has to be an everyone or no one thing).
You would distribute less and source more locally. No more bananas or mangoes. That was the idea behind the "reduce our standard of living" phrase.
It's way harder to de-industrialize than to industrialize. A lot of our cities are only viable because of the dividend from fossil fuels.
Is that correct?
Agreed. I had a lawyer-gf at one point in my past, and she executed some variant of this on me every time a vacuous proposal left my mouth. Any proposal at all, really.
But, I did not understand the intent behind what you were writing. Can you restate this for those of us slower members of your audience?
This is all just silly. Credit to 'workthrowaway27 for responding in reasoned fashion, but that hasn't dissuaded any of the silly folk in their silliness. They suggest catastrophic changes to the lives of everyone on earth, and the reasons they offer are transparently based on personal psychological idiosyncrasies rather than on a practical understanding of reality. All of this tyrannical bullshit won't happen, not only because it shouldn't happen, but also because it can't possibly happen. One does admit it to be a lovely dream, because one understands that lots of people dream of denying the agency of other humans. This is an impulse to indulge in daydreams, not in the political sphere.
Thank you.
It's easy to believe they are utterly indispensable. They are just so convenient, and we love to convince ourselves convenience is really necessity. But would the world truly collapse into the dark ages if fossil fuels petered out in the next decade, and we no longer had that option?
How are you going to transport food? You ignore that food was shipped around a long time before fossil fuels. More of a pain, of course, but we did it all the same.
Yes, society can function without fossil fuels, but probably not with the same number of people, and certainly not with the same standard of living.
If we wait until there is no topsoil left, even more billions will die, and it won't be in a controlled and purposeful way like it would be if we do it now. Hell, maybe even no one has to die from starvation. Maybe just limiting births would do the trick. Or any other number of ideas that don't involve mass murder or mass starvation or going back to 200 year old farming methods.
So it's idealist to want a sustainable society that doesn't destroy the planet a short couple hundred years after discovering fossil fuels and industrial food production? How is that idealist? Idealism is thinking that the current situation is somehow salvageable without extreme overhauls.
And plus, no one is saying to go back to oxen and carts. That is fairly ridiculous so my response was equally ridiculous.
People were advocating for much the same thing in the '70s when Erlich's The Population Bomb came out, and thank God we ignored them. And yet a single hectare of land produces multiples of what it produced then, allowing enough food for everyone (though it doesn't always get to the people who need it, admittedly).
If I had to bet I'd say in 100 years we'll be producing even more food per person, so I consider any plan that would have people starving forced to limit reproduction to be off the table.
This seems like clickbait to me.
Edit: This article is from December 5, 2014. https://www.ashlandmass.com/DocumentCenter/Home/View/446
If someone can come up with an adequate filter for pharmaceuticals, it seems that the recapture of human waste is our best path forward. Yes, there is a logistics problem for transferring it, potentially, dehydration is the best method, but we consume the output of our farms, and it seems that on a conservation of mass basis, we should be sending it back to the farms when we're done with it.
Well call them the Elite Shitters
I would compare some of the challenges this faces to those that are faced when turning salt water into fresh water through desalination (probably not a direct comparison).
However, moving human waste is a tough problem and requires substantial resources (fossil fuels, infrastructure, electricity, etc...) and the act of moving it is usually the source of contamination.
I think it's completely valid and beneficial to compost human waste, but that needs to be done on a local/individual scale.
https://www.dcwater.com/biosolids
This wouldn't be nearly enough though. The amount of human waste is, however, dwarfed by animal waste.
Topsoil, climate will soon become irrelevant to producing foodstuffs.
That's why Oil is so expensive while agriculture is universally subsidied.
The central hypothesis is that we've become far too invested in annual plants. They require and enormous amount of labor and petrochemicals to sustain. The book presents alternative methods that, like permaculture in general, look to harness natural processes and perennial trees and shrubs to great effect.
1: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/16441733-restoration-agr...
My great worry about us (and capitalism) is that we are good at short term allocation, bad at long run planning. Is there a way around this soil problem, or some way in which the stat is misleading?
It's more about human nature than capitalism or any economic system in particular. If anything capitalism is capable of including externalities, if we choose to. If we don't, eventually, we will face the issue, as many others. Not the ideal way to dal with issues which are decades in the future. Classical example is national debt and of course, climactic change.
http://www.ipsnews.net/2013/08/sustainable-technologies-safe...
I still feel land management / mismanagement is independent of economic system. One does not intrinsically offer to protect natural resources over another, but i could be wrong.
I would argue that an economic system that concentrates power has the ability to create and enforce a monopoly on land usage. Political or economic systems that allow for a minority control of usable land are much more inclined to use that land for the benefit of the controlling minority, and so far that seems maximizing profits in the short term. When we speak of land management what do we mean? The best "returns"? What is being returned to us? I'm inclined to agree that the values used inland management _can_ be independent of economic system, but an economic system that brings with it a predefined value-set based around extracting profit via exploitation is going to manage the land according to those values. Until we have values that supersede the values of the economic system then the econmic's system's values with be the dominating ones.
While I find his philosophy a bit lacking, Derrick Jensen has some great writing on how we value and manage land. https://www.amazon.com/Language-Older-Than-Words/dp/19314985...
I'm actually not sure we can easily include some externalities in capitalism, and I've worried it's an achilles heel of the system. I say this as a capitalist.
Specifically, the transaction costs of including small externalities are too high. By small, I mean that if I burn a litre of gasoline, I have harmed every human on the planet by an incredibly small margin. Too small to properly charge.
In that specific example, a carbon tax could fix it. But, there are many such externalities. Many harder to measure than carbon burning (which is hard in itself).
Other things equal, if it is cheaper to ignore an externality, the system will gravitate to those solutions. And with computers, globalization and cheap container shipping, it has become much easier and much faster to optimize the system. Such optimizations are mostly excellent (I am a capitalist), but we're also optimizing the system in ways which produce negative externalities as well.
The number they have for topsoil generation is how long it takes if you don't try to stimulate it. There are lots of ways to increase the rate of topsoil development. So that bit is a tiny bit misleading, because while some of what they are kind of implying is permanent can be reversed.
That said, the situation is very bad. Ways around could possibly include non-traditional agriculture (hydroponics et al) or other less palatable things, like dietary changes or increased farming regulation.
But the organization says of topsoil formation on its own web site:
The rate of topsoil formation can vary from < 0.25 mm/year in dry and cold environments to > 1.5 mm/year in humid and warm environments (Hammer 1981; Hudson 1981). Topsoil formation at the rate of 1 mm/year is equivalent to an annual addition of 12 t/ha. Therefore, the rate of topsoil formation has been considered as a factor in the model in assessing loss of productivity and tolerable soil losses.
http://www.fao.org/docrep/009/t0733e/T0733E06.htm
1 mm/year means 30 years to generate 3 cm of topsoil, not 1000 years. And human intervention can increase productive topsoil rather than deplete it, when the incentives are properly aligned.
I don't know if the 1000 years figure is a mistake, based on newer, more pessimistic measurements of soil formation rates, or something else.
It was an interesting paper, and I wonder if it didn't gain much traction, or was heavily refuted. If I was more cynical, I'd think Semedo was purposely ignoring it for political reasons.
It seems to me like we might have to make a big push towards solar-powered hydroponics or something of that nature.
How depressing. Maybe soylent green is more of a realistic future than we thought...
Organic dryland cereal farming depends on tillage for weed & pest control. Not only is the land plowed during planting and after harvest, every third year the land is left fallow. While left fallow it is plowed monthly.
Conventional farmers have substantially reduced their usage of tillage increasing their chemical usage instead. Those chemicals may be not be good for the ecosystem, but they result in orders of magnitude less soil loss.
Also, it is a matter of relative severity of problems. Soil loss is much worse than depletion of soil nutrients. As said, organic is potentially much worse for soil loss (although different practices like intensive use of cover crops can help).
I couldn't get through any of the paywalls, but there are articles out there that suggest that it is.
A lot of other factors are important too. Good rotation, being careful about what strains are used (many crops have been bred/modified for high yields, but that yield often comes at the expense of the soil).
This is very much a solvable problem. The 1000 year number in the article is how long it can take under just normal circumstances, but that can be sped up a LOT using various techniques including proper tillage, animal grazing, etc.
The big "problem" is that all of these things will make crops more expensive, but any other solution is going to quickly become even pricier than that so it should still be done.
> It seems to me like we might have to make a big push towards solar-powered hydroponics or something of that nature.
Right now the costs (particularly start-up costs) are too high for this to be totally viable, but I think it will become a much more significant method of growing food down the line.
But in reality the faster people realize that genetically modified products are more nutritious and less harming to nature, the better are our chances of survival.
Robots are our only hope.
On the other hand you could fill an office full of programmers in North Dakota.
It is the breadbasket of North America.
Not sure what you mean by this. In the past old trees were burned on the spot; today they are chipped and the chips taken for use as mulch or other things. Neither process involves removing topsoil.
Tobe fair I do not know the practice in other regions / other crops.