German military kicks off heavy lift helicopter competition
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Calling this particular problem maintenance debt is a bit disingenuous. PMCS/PMI could have been performed perfectly for decades and not caught this problem. Peculiar dichotomy in this story; the conflation of design flaw and lack of spare parts and improper maintenance.
https://www.militarytimes.com/news/your-navy/2017/08/27/navy...
It's not like the manufacturer can't schedule a full disassembly of a unit 10 years into its lifetime. Car magazines do it.
Wait hang on, I was under the impression that a D check (?) did exactly this, every 6-7 years. This is second hand knowledge from a pilot buddy so maybe I'm forgetting something. Also it's on the civvy side of things, maybe the military does stuff differently?
If it's as simple as the military has shittier maintenance checks, then that's a solvable problem.
Edit: ok looked it up, it is a civilian vs military thing.
How much time do you spend performing exhaustive checks for problems that don't exist?
You absolutely should spend time looking for things you expect not to find, because sometimes you will be wrong.
When you're maintaining an aircraft, a nuclear plant, or anything sufficiently complex or life critical, you should spend a certain amount of time looking for ghosts. You _will_ find them. Your model of an engineered system should include a finite rate of unknown bugs.
Also, I like to be the first to know I'm wrong. If I make 100 aircraft and dedicate one to disassembly for study after a quarter of its estimated life, I'll be a .75% investment on better understanding my product. If De Havilland had done that, the stress on the square windows of the Comet would have been discovered before they started falling from the skies and we'd all be flying more beautiful planes.
I was shocked when I found out that, in more than 100 flights, nobody inspected the underside or the leading edges of the shuttle in orbit to check for damage incurred on lift off. They were pretty sure the only dangerous part of the flight was the re-entry.
You say a problem does not exist. You may have good reason to think it doesn't, and, yet, people die because it does.
A lot can be learned from aerospace engineering and the systems engineering used to design air and space vehicles.
The US military polices itself, so important things can be made optional. They don't have to answer to the FAA on maintenance issues, for example.
But a visual inspection on a fuel line can be really difficult. I had a motorcycle with a leaky fuel line once, luckily it sprung a leak while warming up in my driveway and I turned off the bike before anything bad happened but it was almost impossible to tell where the leak was without pressurized fuel, the hose looked pristine without positive pressure to highlight the crack.
In race cars, they sometimes 'overpressure' the fuel line (above operating pressure but below max pressure) to check for leaks, I wonder if they ever do that routinely for aircraft.
11 person-years. You don't need the same person to conduct all the inspection.
I'm open to being corrected on this, but no-one has yet posted any evidence that there is any extant procedure for inspecting every part of a 747.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aircraft_maintenance_checks#D_...
https://youtu.be/x_yHtfGH0nI?t=36m55s
So far as the HH-53 (the USAF version), when I rode one in the 80's, the saying was that if it wasn't dripping hydraulic fluid, there was something wrong.
However the military apparently doesn't do this.
That is disingenuous.
Significantly updated but still disappointing in showing how little aerodynamics has progressed in five decades.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fulda_Gap :
"With the fall of the Iron Curtain in 1989, the reunification of Germany in 1990, and the subsequent withdrawal of Soviet forces, the Fulda Gap lost its strategic importance, but it remains a powerful symbol of the Cold War."
Agree that, if what they are training for were to actually occur in present day real life, it would likely be in the general vicinity of Kaliningrad.
1. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2015/02/19...
- Results in trade deals with a neighboring superpower
- In case of war, looted enemy armament is familiar and compatible
- Cheaper due to Soviet attempts to keep sphere of influence (e.g. no direct NATO compatibility)
But yeah since the fall of USSR they've been slowing shifting towards buying from NATO countries/allies, with German Leopard tanks having replaced T-72s and recently buying artillery units from South Korea.
- Making it clear that you're not in the 'other guys' camp.
A NATO Finland would have been incredibly threatening to the Soviet Union. A friendly, non-aligned Finland that just wants to be independent, without stepping on anyone's toes is a useful buffer state.
After the second world war, Finland had to tread very, very carefully.
Also switching to Russian Helicopters (The company) and trying to integrate those into the NATO force structure would likely require a great number of changes to be made to the aircraft, which might make them non-competitive on price alone.
Introducing Russian (or other non-NATO stuff) would require extensive trainings, quite possible new sets of tools, and who knows if any Russian stuff could be made to interoperate with NATO technology.
For example, Turkey recently declared that they will buy some kind of Russian advanced anti-aircraft system so they probably think that it will be cheaper in long term than buying it from a NATO member. Yet, even in this case they had quite strong tensions with NATO and it is not clear if Germany wants to have (and can afford) similar tensions with NATO, even if these Russian helicopters are technically better.
why not invest into it. basically I already now the answer. but it's a shame.. (they probably want another disaster after eurofighter/eurocopter/whatever every project where the german governement was directly involved failed, wasn't working as expected... (g36 precision...), or costed a lot more than calculated (not just inside the military..))
It is great to be the King! ... err ... military contractor!
This implies the 53 is not a combat-proven aircraft....to be clear, the K is just an improved version of the same aircraft that has been operating for like 3 decades.
Hard to see how the 47 would beat the 53, especially if the Germans are actually using the aircraft for heavy lift.
CH-53K MTOW: 38t
H225M: (Empty Weight - MTOW) ≅ 5650kg
CH-47: (Empty Weight - MTOW) ≅ 11500kg
CH-53: (Empty Weight - MTOW) ≅ 23300kghttps://www.latribune.fr/entreprises-finance/industrie/aeron...