I had a boss who stood up for me against sexist office jerks
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One example: while meeting a research group at a post-conference social, a postdoc 10 years her senior put his arm around her. Some turned a blind eye, others were mortified yet inert, but one man got up and asked the postdoc to switch seats with him. The outcome? My friend was spared having to spend her (already scarce) social capital on wiggling out of this dude's arm, some of her faith was restored in the men in her field (reducing the odds she'd eventually quit it entirely), the dude was sent a signal that his behavior was not okay, and the intervener lost nothing for his courage.
For us males in male-dominated fields, it is critical that we be mindful of when the non-males we are interacting with are being discriminated against or harassed, and more importantly, that we do something when we notice it. It could be as dramatic as something in this article, or it could be as small as apologizing to the non-male coworker you spoke over or saying that you see the sense in a non-male coworker's idea when it seems like it might be getting criticized more for its creator's gender than its merits.
If you stand by while something bad happens, you are an accomplice. Your inaction communicates something important: This is ok; it's normal. Your normalize it, and human beings, social creatures that we are, are built to follow the crowd's norms. With a little courage, you can stop sexual harassment from being normalized and shift perception a little the other way.
But also, I think men have to be conscious of not objectifying women as damsels in distress, waiting for you to ride to their rescue. If possible, the person should speak for herself - you don't know her or what she wants. Just ask, 'is there something I can do?' or 'you're welcome to join us at our table' or 'I'll be a witness if you need one'.
>My friend was spared having to spend her (already scarce) social capital on wiggling out of this dude's arm
Is it really that difficult and "costly" for the woman in this situation to get herself out of this like a grownup ? Just saying politely "hmm, I think there is a misunderstanding.." while she gets up and changes place herself ? A message like that is clear and polite and establishes clear boundaries. I think it's ridiculous and weird to ask all the males to be aware of the relationship dynamics of their female colleagues and anticipate at which point they feel harassed and intervene. Seriously.. and what's next ? Women intervening when other women flirt with a male colleague ?
I have often seen this scene unfold. So why don’t women in such situations simply tell the man to fuck off?
Well, even an average sized man is still many kilograms larger than the average woman. So rather than risk getting knocked out, the average women’s instincts probably tell them to de-escalate the situation and get away.
To expect all women in such situations to directly confront their agressors, I think is to expect people to directly reject their basic survival instincts.
If someone is clearly being harassed (like I said, look at the face, the expression is not subtle), it only makes sense to offer the victim an easy exit.
>To expect all women in such situations to directly confront their agressors..
I think you are replying to the wrong comment or the wrong thread.
As a man witnessing harassment I have felt paralysed by not knowing whether calling the behaviour out in the moment would make things worse. Whether my intervention would be appreciated or looked on by the woman as bullshit white-knighting. I think this anecdote lays out a more useful path that can be emulated.
I too feel this.
I currently try to find alternative solutions, although only one example is coming to mind: I saw a woman being very probably crowded by a guy on a dance floor, and it looked unwanted. I offered a hula hoop for her to play with: instant personal space bubble. (She took it, guy backed off and later left).
I figure the goal is to disrupt the current poor behavior, rather than try to correct / call it out, given my skill levels. Legit / mutual behavior will resume, unwanted behavior (generally?) won't.
Though I'm facing hardships now yet I'm not sorry I did it because I want to work in a healthier work environment. Though it was a very well paying job, I REALLY enjoyed the work and I was often told how much many co-workers/stakeholders liked my work.
I was able to persuade key personnel that it was in the interest of the company and therefore in their interest to rectify the situation.
Three years later, the tech team was one-third female and the atmosphere was for the most part cleaned up.
This success story required difficult diplomacy and tenacity, and I'm not sure it was realistic to duplicate it. I often read Hacker News and despair. My teammates were redeemable, at great cost. Probably many people here would be too, but the hostility is just so strong.
Instead, I believe it will be a generational change, where the situation improves as bad elements age out and die off over decades.
Change does happen: Look at the massive shift recently in the U.S. on gay marriage or, in earlier times, interracial marriage.
Signed a dude!
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I think the subject matter is on topic for Hacker News, which is why I submitted it. Often times these types of articles lead to discussions that "generate more heat than light" (a term dating back to at least Usenet if not earlier), which is understandably not too welcome on HN. There seems to be more "light" than usual in this thread though.
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After years of using hckrnews.com which shows flagged posts, I think 90% of flagged front-page posts are about harrasment and gender issues often in the tech field.