Hidden Cameras in AirBnBs
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"Legal gray area" or not, it's not allowed by Airbnb.
And other restrictions apply in other states: https://www.rcfp.org/first-amendment-handbook/introduction-r...
Plus, the whole point of a hidden camera is that it's hidden. If anything, it would be far harder to find a hidden camera as the number of rooms to search increases.
Talitor seems to have plenty of various types of hidden cameras: http://www.talitor.com/
http://www.talitor.com/products/DVR/CH0721w/page_CH0721w.htm
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Wireless-Table-Clock-Camera-...
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Table-Clock-Camera-Alarm-Set...
They're not unregulated everywhere, you know. Short-term house rentals were not exactly invented yesterday.
The use of cameras can help prosecute and provide proof to back up destruction claims - something airbnb providers probably run up against regularly.
And given the legal grey area airbnb hosts exist in, it's probably not explicitly illegal, since they're filming their own property.
Non-devil's advocate:
Creepy as hell. Especially since there's only a camera in the bedroom.
What? No. Guests have reasonable expectation of privacy, same as hotels.
It’s like at a hotel that prohibits smoking but people smoke in the rooms anyway. The hotel doesn’t “hide in a gray area,” they have a rule and it isn’t always followed.
There might be laws against it actually, since the other person does not explicitly consent to being filmed, and it's not a public space.
What set of laws guarantee that? This is a consequence of living outside the laws meant for hotels. AirBnBs are not hotel rooms.
For a home, they are based on whether there is a reasonable expectation of privacy. People have a reasonable expectation of privacy in pretty much any bedroom intended for their use.
http://codes.findlaw.com/tx/penal-code/penal-sect-21-15.html
The definition isn't about the rental arrangement, just the use of the room.
People enjoy strong rights in their own homes, they don't trump every right someone else may have.
Depends. In some countries security cameras indoors are not legal - that is, if you get caught putting a burglar on camera, s/he can sue you for invasion of privacy. There's also laws that make it required for you to clearly indicate there are security cameras present.
What country is that? That sounds backward as hell.
If something really does seem like an honest mistake, they may take that into account when passing a sentence.
On the other hand, if someone not only did something bad but then the judge thinks they tried to cover it up even in court, that is likely to count against them, possibly heavily.
For minor things a panel of magistrates (non-lawyers who volunteered for this job, a clerk helps them understand what the law means and they can "punt" tricky things to a judge if they have to) decides, rather than a jury under supervision of a judge. Magistrates only handle little things, shop lifting, ordinary burglary, punch up in a night club with a few bruises, that sort of thing. No murders, armed robberies, rapes. But I don't know if "spy camera voyeurism" is something that'd go to a magistrate's court.
If the only thing the prosecution has is this - you owned this device, and somebody found it, you say you didn't know what it does - there's actually a good chance they would never take it before a court. Crown Prosecutors are specifically told only to prosecute people who they're sure they can prove are guilty - none of this throw everything at them and hope it sticks nonsense, "Innocent" verdicts are actually rare in this system, not because hardly anybody is innocent but because prosecutors are supposed to be bringing slam-dunk cases. I actually attend court periodically, and as an outsider, not a member of a jury, I'd say I never saw one person in the dock who didn't do it.
Anyway most of the time the police are going to find other stuff, which the prosecution can use to make a more solid case. That might be really definitive, like a test video you recorded, or a forum post you made saying you are "going to try it for real soon" on a spy camera voyeur site. Or it might be circumstantial but still able to be shown to a jury, like your search history "Spy cam bedroom sex" "Secret recordings" "Voyeur tiny camera", or they found the box the device came in, and it says "Spy camera: Most excellent definiton for make video" in big letters.
https://www.rcfp.org/first-amendment-handbook/introduction-r...
There's a lot of devices including smartphones that have tiny, almost invisible-to-the-naked-eye pin-hole cameras. Do those count? If I want to have a hidden cam to watch my birdfeeder, is that illegal?
Basically, cameras that appear to be everyday objects and are particularly suited for recording non-public locations without those being recorded being aware of the fact.
IANAL, but because Smartphones are expected to have some recording device they may be okay, a hidden camera to watch your bird feeder seems more of a grey area because it can also be used to record humans.
(Not a recommendation - haven't tried any of these)
It's then probably easier to find a camera by looking in the network rather than physically. The problem with that is you can only find it when it's transmitting and not if it's sleeping (unless it happens to also have a public endpoint that's always open).
> He left at 3am, reported, host is suspended, colleague got refund.
Airbnb can't check everything, but at least they respond in a good and timely manner.
They just cancelled the reservation, giving us no chance to leave a review. AFAIK, that host is still renting out her cockroach-riddled place in Oahu.
EDIT: I did not witness your Airbnb, of course; it is entirely possible that the place was infested. I was just put in mind of a friend who freaked out when she saw one single cockroach and told us our place was infested.
I had an incident where the airbnb owner neglected to mention she had pets. The hair was everywhere including the bed, making it impossible to breathe. So I contacted airbnb who refunded me after a lot of back and forth. Thus began a long night of calling completely booked hotels. The other Airbnb hosts required 24h minimum notification. We ended up staying at a partially renovated hotel.
Airbnb has been great for democratizing travel but some people have no business in hospitality.
I ended up relocating to a hotel.
My issue is that I feel that Airbnb reviews aren't trustworthy - this was a listing with a lot of reviews, not a single one mentioned the smell or the weird business with the dog, and all were absolutely glowing reviews. I find that a bit hard to believe.
It's the same way I feel about Grubhub/Seamless - even the sketchy deli with the expired meat somehow has a 4 out of 5 star rating. I'm pretty sure getting shut down by the health department would only merit a drop to 3.5 stars.
I no longer use Airbnb because I really just can't trust that the reviews are on the up and up.
One of the things that makes the Michelin guide stand out is that they've resisted the urge to be like "Oh, wow, restaurants suddenly all got awesome, every city in American now has fifty Michelin starred restaurants".
The UK decided to rate places that sell food with a star system, but it turns out that "Zero" is actually a valid rating, the regulator's perspective is that "Zero" means you did not break the rules badly enough to be shut down, so you're still open, so that's a zero. If you were worse than a zero, they would physically shut you down. You won't find any actual restaurants with a zero, but you definitely find places that sell food where you'd never think to check their rating and they have a zero because they didn't give a crap. So, the steak tartare in classy restaurant with a Five is probably safer than the hot dog in the corner store that got zero... but the government figures not enough people will get sick from those hot dogs to make it worth forcing the store to close.
The problem with Airbnb reviews is that you are being reviewed too - so, although you can technically leave a bad review there is a social pressure not to.
I have also learned to be wary of places with a high number of reviews relative to others in the same area.
I think this is a huge part of the problem. When both sides of the transaction need to be reviewed positively by the other, you get into a situation where every review is either:
A - glowing and overflowing with superlative praise
B - raining nuclear hellfire down on the other party
It's an even more extreme version of star rating inflation I feel like, since nobody is going to speak their mind unless things have gotten really bad.
My experience is limited to Spain where you are often renting from an individual and they are genuinely nice but not exactly stretching themselves in the customer service department.
Elsewhere, it is probably different - especially where you have 'professional' hosts for whom there really is no excuse.
That said, AirBnB seems like a great example of a business that many would have thought impossible because of various kinds of social risks -- sexual assault, theft, etc. -- yet, with care taken, human decency prevails.
At least with AirBnB you can leave reviews that are easily read by potential future guests.
Personally, I believe a greater concern is the things other people are using.
If I choose to use Google or Facebook services or to carry a smartphone loaded with sensors and networking and spyware, that's down to me. There are plenty of valid concerns about transparency, but at least I have the option to not participate at all.
On the other hand, I have no control over whether someone on the next table over at a restaurant chooses to carry a smartphone that has some sort of always-observing technology built in, nor do I get any warning if they are doing so and my dinner conversation that would normally be reasonably private is being picked up by a mic and transmitted to the mothership.
Likewise, if I send an email to someone, while it has never been a 100% secure medium, it used to be the case that it was unlikely any third parties would see the message unless it was a system admin dealing with some sort of problem. Today a significant number of recipients are using a service like Google's to handle their mail, but possibly hidden behind their own domains and identity/branding. Consequently, those big mail services may in practice have access to a large amount of the email I have sent and may be processing it for all kinds of reasons without my knowledge or consent.
Same goes for services like social networks when they do things like uploading someone's whole address book from their phone after their app is installed. Now it's not just my friend or business contact who has my details, it's a social network, and they can associate those details with everyone else involved as well and start building up a detailed profile about me, again without my having any sort of direct relationship with them and without my knowledge or consent.
A few years ago this would have been quite expensive and not easy to do.
This is pretty severe.
Don't get them get away with it. Sue.
http://www.independent.co.uk/travel/news-and-advice/airbnb-h...
Publicize, loudly, cases when someone violates your trust. Because that's what this reduces to; you're trusting whomever you're paying for that room. If they don't deserve that trust, ruin their income stream and they'll stop.
Applications of this approach to less-vulnerable violators left as an exercise, etc.
My suggestion would be to assume you might be being filmed, rather than assume you can avoid it.
If that's the assumption, my response would be to never stay in an AirBnB. What good is a house you're not comfortable changing or showering in, much less having sex?
This is under the assumption that the cameras don't store the data locally, which they probably do. In that case, I don't have any ideas what to do if you can spot them on the local network but can't trace them down physically.
I mean nice try pumping your product, but come on.
But yes, you're right. I'm definitely pumping our own product :)