https://alexandrnikitin.github.io/blog/transparent-hugepages...
Especially the conclusion is noteworthy:
> Do not blindly follow any recommendation on the Internet, please! Measure, measure and measure again!
https://alexandrnikitin.github.io/blog/transparent-hugepages...
Especially the conclusion is noteworthy:
> Do not blindly follow any recommendation on the Internet, please! Measure, measure and measure again!
Of course you could profile and measure performance to determine if the warning is applicable but is that something I should be doing for every part of the stack? I should but should I prioritize that over x, y or z?
So apparently, transparent hugepages have some issues in their current implementation that can cause big performance losses in some cases. Seems to me like that's a bug, and I see no reason why that bug couldn't be fixed in the future.
By following random recommendations, you get into situations where the underlying problem has been fixed for ages, but people still cargo-cult some workaround that actually makes things worse with the new implementation.
And it doesn't print a message like "yeah I stalled your box for the last 60 seconds in order to shuffle deckchairs around, sorry" in syslog.
So you pull your hair out trying to figure out why your nice stable service all of a sudden sets off Nagios at 2am for no obvious reason, every week or two.
Similar to the issues you had with Redis, the kernel change to THP on by default totally destroyed CoW sharing for forked Ruby processes, despite Koichi Sasada's change to make the GC more CoW friendly. Without disabling THP, a single run of GC marking can cause the entire heap to be copied for the child.
It's also important to measure in your actual use-case, and not just with benchmarks that seem "close enough"; I know it sounds odd, but I've seen others adjust settings and then prove that it worked with a benchmark that they claim is "representative", when in reality they didn't actually improve anything because that "representative benchmark" differed from the real use case in precisely the way that would not respond to the adjustment.
Blindly following "best practices" is bad enough, but "proving" that the changes work with crucially-different benchmarks is worse; and when it's some expensive consultant doing such things, I think it may even approach fraud.
It baffles me that THP became enabled by default (is it? I think it’s only a default on RHEL distros?). It really screws up many expectations that applications might assume about memory behavior (like the page size). In the majority of cases, THP is a bad, bad idea and anyone with perf or devops experience will agree with this I think.
Do you want to impose GC like pause characteristics to all processes on your box? And possibly double, triple, or 10x your memory usage? Enable THP then.
I can confirm that neither my Ubuntu nor Debian servers have is in "always", they're either "madvise" or "never".
# CONFIG_TRANSPARENT_HUGEPAGE_ALWAYS is not set
CONFIG_TRANSPARENT_HUGEPAGE_MADVISE=y
and /boot/config-4.13.0-1-amd64 has: CONFIG_TRANSPARENT_HUGEPAGE_ALWAYS=y
# CONFIG_TRANSPARENT_HUGEPAGE_MADVISE is not set
So this is a recent change.Edit: The linux kernel source says the default is always (in mm/Kconfig), and that's been true since 2011.
The debian package changelog says the change occurred in 4.13.4-1:
* thp: Enable TRANSPARENT_HUGEPAGE_ALWAYS instead of
TRANSPARENT_HUGEPAGE_MADVISE
The reason is not given in the changelog itself, but it's given in the git log of the debian packaging:As advised by Andrea Arcangeli - since commit 444eb2a449ef "mm: thp: set THP defrag by default to madvise and add a stall-free defrag option" this will generally be best for performance.
https://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/kernel/linux.git/commit/debi...
Edit 2: The mentioned commit (444eb2a449ef) dates back to 4.6, so presumably, at least some performance issues with transparent huge pages may be gone since that version of the kernel.
$ cat /sys/kernel/mm/transparent_hugepage/enabled
[always] madvise never
I can also confirm that my Ubuntu 16.04.3 LTS (GNU/Linux 4.4.0-101-generic x86_64) droplet has the same setting.
Makes me think that your setting is a default and his was set by Digital Ocean.
Perhaps there are issues with 'madvise' in kernels prior to 4.11, so they chose 'always' rather than 'never'.
It is in the process of being fixed (it should be set to madvise).
Since "enabled=always" is the kernel default value, anything that uses a stock kernel (example: Arch family) or has to build its own (Gentoo) will probably have it enabled by default.
I just checked, and my Gentoo and Manjaro systems have it set to "enabled=always".
Anyway, recently they added new "defer" mode for defragmentation so THP doesn't try to defragment (the main cause of the slow down) upon allocation and instead it is triggering it in background (via kswapd and kcompactd). This is now set to be the default. I think it is available in RedHat/CentOS 7.3+
The best out of both worlds though (although then it requires more manual work) is pre-allocating HugaPages in advance and then let application use them (if the application supports it) or through libhugetlbfs (if it doesn't).
Edit: changed hugetlbfs to libhugetlbfs, so it's easier to find how to do it with man libhugetlbfs
That is exactly the reason I wrote the post! Those advice are based on specific use case, bug or outdated kernel. The jemalloc (Digital Ocean post) case is a good example, it just doesn't (didn't) know about THP https://github.com/jemalloc/jemalloc/issues/243
I can only repeat it: "Measure, measure and measure again!"