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> to gain a holistic understanding of patient recovery during various phases of the day.

Define "holistic understanding."

Is the doctor actually sitting bedside with the patient for the entire shift? Of course not. More realistically, the doctor is coming in, making some observations, and then moves on to the next patient.

So here's an idea - couldn't you shoot video of the observation, and shoot a time-lapse video of the otherwise-lacking-direct-observation periods, and show those to the physician in the next shift? All that the attending physician has to do is vocalize his observations (of course a camera by itself can't sufficiently observe), and the hand-off physician can watch the clips just like he could read the chart. Such clips may also be accompanied by speech-to-text to produce quick summaries.

There's simply no doctor in the world who isn't privately treating a single patient who can compete with the number of experiential data-points which a computer can provide.

And those "data-points" are worthless. You're basically suggesting cooking thru a camera and expecting better outcomes because the broth is constantly monitored by a cam.

> camera

I mean... this is a thing:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robot-assisted_surgery

It's not like the presence of cameras automatically makes medical care low-quality.

> Robot-assisted_surgery

Is based on the premiss of a smaller incision and more precise tissue manipulations leading to better outcomes. Nothing to do with a camera ;)

> presence of cameras automatically makes medical care low-quality.

Of course not. My point is that it does adds ~ nothing to the quality of care, just like cooking thru a webcam should not be expected to result in tastier meals.

Doctor’s observations are a complex synthesis of information obtained through the five senses (and not only by seeing) and “gut feeling”. They can help narrow down the diagnosis, and predict forthcoming complications. This cannot be captured by a camera.

I’ll give you an example of the “holistic understating” kirse was probably alluding to.

A 80-yo guy is admitted at 9pm for COPD exacerbation, is treated with the usual drugs, gets better. Was very anxious and well awake on arrival. You come to check back on him at 2h AM, and he seems a bit slower, and uncharacteristically relaxed. You suspect he’s getting hypercapnic, order a blood gas, and discover that he is indeed. You proceed to treat him with a BiPAP, and save the day.

If you did not see the patient before, it is very easy to interpret his sleepiness and relaxed breathing as a totally normal state for a 80-yo guy. It is indeed very easy to think he’s got better. See, he’s finally sleeping, breathing calmly, everything’s fine.

Even a family member sitting by the guy side since his admission is likely to miss the subtle signs, precisely because his observation is continuous, and the change is slight and slow. Discrete episodes of reassessment by the same qualified person is key !

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