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Great way for Chinese buyers to go straight from electricity bill to Canadian/Australian/Californian real estate without even moving any currency. Money laundering and capital control problems solved!

(OK the article looks to be about blockchain for confirming transaction rather than paying - but the joke still holds)

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I don't see this comment as helpful. Bitcoin, and other crypto currencies, is akin to the internet when it was first introduced. It has the potential to disrupt the value business which is controlled by governments at the moment.

Worse, a lot our value system is controlled by corporations that have fees littered throughout every single transaction we do today. Crypto-Currencies have a chance to disrupt a system that is increasingly not good for the common person.

Secondly, Chinese buyers area already visiting the US and buying property and they pay cold hard cash. So not seeing what your point is here.

You can move the cash straight from Mainland, instead of having to get around the 50k/p.p. capital control. This is huge as there are many more people who have money inside of China than in HK bank accounts.

What are a few things you can do with Bitcoin that you couldn't do without it?

Well for one you can transfer money to anyone anywhere without any intermediates.

Why would you want that? What happens if you have a fraudulent transaction? How is it reversed? What about coercion? Blackmail, etc.

By the way, you can transfer cash without any intermediaries. You literally just hand it over.

I think blockchain in general has value, however I'm skeptical of cryptocurrencies vs. a trusted intermediary and the current setup.

>By the way, you can transfer cash without any intermediaries. You literally just hand it over.

Why would you want that? What happens if you have a fraudulent transaction? How is it reversed? What about coercion? Blackmail, etc.

Yeah, that's why you use escrow, or an intermediary service. By the way, I never claimed you should use cash. In fact, most of the criticism I have towards Bitcoin also applies to cash, as you've sarcastically pointed out.

This is one of the growing pains of bitcoin that will have to be worked out. You can send bitcoin to addresses that nobody holds the private keys to and those coins will be gone forever. There are likely already several hundred thousand or millions of bitcoin lost this way.

There is no reversal of a transaction, the ledger is immutable.

With all of that said, bitcoin was not created to solve crime.

I don't think that's actually true. How does the sender convert fiat to bitcoin, and then the bitcoin back to fiat?

There's still intermediaries involved and they're not exactly simple to use.

Well - you do have to use an intermediary to exchange bitcoin for fiat, that is correct. I think the vision is that one day fiat will go away and be replaced by bitcoin and other cryptos though.

Everything is quite clunky right now, and not exactly easy but that is true of any new technology.

Near instant worldwide transfer of funds with low fees is a big one that comes to mind. I'm invested in bitcoin and it takes, on average, an hour to move around with around $10 in fees.

Of course the fees are still high but I imagine they will come down if bitcoin wants to see mass adoption.

Immutable, anonymous, and decentralized ledger.

Those are attributes of blockchain technology rather than bitcoin itself though. It's possible another cryptocurrency (litecoin anyone?) will dethrone bitcoin as the 'currency' and bitcoin will remain a store of value.

>Near instant worldwide transfer of funds with low fees

>Of course the fees are still high

He is comparing to traditional wiring.

> 7 days, $50-$100 in fees.

So it's still faster.

There are middle grounds between traditional transfers and Bitcoin transfers:

https://www.worldremit.com/en/help/sending-money

Most methods of receiving mentions are instant

Fair point but the blockchain eliminates the need for middle man and their fees due to its nature of being a Trust Protocol.

Are you suggesting the massive paper trail of buying a house could be circumvented single-handily by pseudonymous cryptocurrencies?

Money laundering is a favourite catchall term law enforcement likes to use to label something as bad while ignoring all the context around the action. There are plenty of ways to catch tax evasion and other crimes without centrally controlled currencies. This is probably one of the worst examples to support the cryptocurrency = opening the floodgates to crime narrative...

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