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"market cap" is a very bad representation of the overall value which is impossible to actually estimate. try selling 600 million worth of btc and see how that cap changes.

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Dump large amounts of ANY asset and it will crash. It's only crypto that gets accused of having a "fake" market cap though.

It's only crypto that uses the term "market cap" to mean "outstanding crypto-tokens * price". That isn't what the term means in conventional finance. It's normally applied to shares.

5 BILLION dollars worth of bitcoins are sold every day. The trading volume is higher and the orderbooks are deeper than you think...

Google "Wash Trading"

Doesn't work in crypto markets. Taker fees are typically > 0.20%, with the notable exception of BitMex.

Those who are downvoting the parent, please explain why? He is correct. Is the assumption here that the exchanges themselves are wash trading and not charging themselves fees? Seems possible. But otherwise wash trading is very expensive due to the maker/taker fees.

There is plenty of evidence of wash trading occurring on Bitfinex and other exchanges - there are also many accusations that the exchanges themselves wash trade, to pump up their own volumes. They don't need to pay their own fees!

Taker fees are 0.1-0.2% on Bitfinex. Wash trading would be too expensive.

Where is the evidence the exchange itself is doing it?

Korean exchanges are 0 fee.

Koreans account only for ~7% of the 5 billion USD/day.

Taker fees are significantly discounted for higher volume traders, because they bring smaller traders to an exchange. I know two mid-sized whales who have almost 0% rate as long as they trade certain number of BTC a month.

Where are you getting this number from?

24h trading volume: https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/bitcoin/#markets

This includes a lot of crypto-crypto volume. Just in the top ten, there's $168m Bitcoin Gold, $145m of Bitcoin Cash, $95m of something called "PowerLedger" that I'm hearing of now for the first time, and $84m of Neo.

Is this real trading activity, or is it people discovering that there's no feasible way to trade USD directly for the meme coin du jour?

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