Ghost of WWII: 1940's meticulously overlaid on modern day
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The cities of Rotterdam ('the city without a heart') and Dresden still tell a pretty grim tale today if your eyes are open to it, and Warsaw and Poznan have plenty of places where the repair still hasn't caught up with the damage. There isn't a month that somebody doesn't dig up a piece of ordnance (in some cases very large bombs) when working on their houses or doing public works.
Be grateful for the world you live in and strive to minimise war, it wasn't always this peaceful and the chance is that it will not always be.
Europe is still quite anti-war (in spite of the apparent ease with which some countries, including mine joined the Iraq adventure) there are lots of older people here that still remember what it was like. But we tend to forget and when the last of them dies and stops reminding us how bad war really is the risk is very large that past stupidities will be repeated.
That’s not just some flimsy anti-war sentiment which can change as new generations take over, that actually has something to do with lasting change initiated by the war and post-war generation after the war. The EU is the most visible symbol of that change and for all the flack it gets, European integration made war less likely.
There are more and louder voices for the break-up of the EU in the last 3 years than I've ever heard in my lifetime.
One of the nice things about a common market (even if it is only partially reality) is that it leads to economic interdependence. Companies can invest wherever they want, companies can sell stuff to wherever they want, people can work wherever they want. There is money to be made and the economic shock waves of making that impossible by leaving the EU would probably be way too much for any EU economy to take.
Maybe the Euro was a bad idea and won’t survive. (My prediction would be that it will.) That won’t, however, be the end of European integration.
This group is attracted by populist parties. And research has shown that many Wilders voters favored Rita Verdonk (populist right-wing) and voted SP (fairly extreme left-wing) before.
The interesting question is how large this group is. 1/6 of the voters (Wilders has 24 out of 150 seats)? 1/4? 1/3?
Real wars, on the other hand (e.g., an hypothetical Germany invading France), would require a big crisis.
Which, on the other hand, is almost guaranteed, cyclically, by the current money system, and otherwise easy to summon, by contracting the money supply.
Whaaaaaaatt??? Does sound any bell to you the names Yugoslavia, Bosnia, Herzegovina, Croatia...?
The other countries getting involved was to stop worse from happening.
From what I know about that war it was basically something that was bound to happen the moment Tito kicked the bucket. He was - like Saddam Hussain in many ways - the person that kept the spring-loaded component parts in an iron grip which some mistook for stability. Once the counter force was gone the various parts flew apart and started a war to try to gain the upper hand.
In Yugoslavia you could say that there never really was stability, only a temporary lack of opportunity to continue the fight.
I agree with your larger point, though. The breakup of Yugoslavia was unfortunate - and inevitable - but it's kind of the exception that proves the rule. 1914, after all, was the last time a war was started in Yugoslavia, and it took down the rest of Europe and spread beyond the continent. This time, it was relatively self-contained, and the pieces of Yugoslavia are joining the Union, one by one. (After all, Yugoslavia was always a political fiction - Tito needed a platform big enough to fend off the Soviet Union, and by God if Slovenia didn't like it they could go suck an egg.)
Belgium may be next - and nobody's going to get killed over it. I just can't stress enough what incredible progress that really is.
That's my impression from reading up on Srebrenica and a bunch of other places, it is very well possible that that is just an 'after the fact' impression, and since it happened the way it did we'll never know what would have happened had there been no intervention.
I know people on two sides in that story (Serbian and Croatian), and there is enough confusion even now that it's probably best they didn't meet. One thing this war did for me though was to open my eyes once and for all to the amount of propaganda in supposedly unbiased media.
I don't mean to gloss over that the balkans war was a terrible tragedy and was dreadful, but in the end I think they're going to come out better than they were before.
I don’t think anyone would have expected that.
I wanted to write “(except for the Balkans)” but ultimately didn’t and probably should have. Just two things: When I say “Europe” I was pretty much talking about western Europe plus a bit of eastern Europe (Poland, Czech Republic, …), also the situation on the Balkans is nowadays unlikely to cause a European or worldwide war (you know, like 100 years ago).
Umm, the credit goes to US occupation of Germany and tension with the USSR.
Europe has yet to handle a reasonable problem on its own.
I also don’t think that Europe has yet to handle a serious problem. The fall of the Soviet Union is kind of the biggie here. And, sure, the cold war played a large role during the recovery of western Europe after WWII, but, looking back at the disastrous recovery of Europe after WWI and comparing it to the stellar recovery after WWII tells me that this is also quite a big problem which Europe sort of solved. With help, but help can only get you so far.
US occupation made war involving Germany unthinkable.
The US did, at various times, encourage European integration.
There have been long periods of fragile peace in Europe (one example would be the more than forty years of peace between Germany and France between 1871 and 1914). I don’t think the current European peace is anything like that. The events which led up to WWI were by no means huge problems. A little will, a bit of diplomatic elbow grease, eminently solvable if you really wanted to.
The violent disintegration of Yugoslavia in the 90s did not cause huge conflicts in Western Europe. It even looked as though Western Europe didn’t care all that much for most of the time. A conflict between the relatively unimportant Austria and tiny Serbia – a century ago, also on the Balkans – could, however, start the chain reaction which resulted in WWI. The peace was so fragile that it couldn’t handle a local conflict.
The US did indeed encourage European integration but there is always the question as to whether it works. The US always wanted to bring Europe on a course which would lead it to a peaceful future – you know, so they don’t have to come over every other year and fix everything. That didn’t work so well after WWI and a disillusioned US left Europe.
Original source, also lists the locations.
There are also places in a number of these cities where limited amounts of the ww2 damage are left un-repaired, as a memorial and a live version of these composites.
And, of course, there is this
This one just... froze me. http://pics.livejournal.com/sergey_larenkov/pic/000029eg/
Peace is a fractious and rare state in human history, it's easy to forget that in a modern life. That's where the power of these images lie.
I'm Russian, and I grew up in different parts of USSR and later ex-USSR. All of my older relatives were, in some sense, involved in WW2. A big part of my family died during that time - some killed in fighting, some from hunger, some from random bullets, some because of repressions of that time... That war greatly affected every family I know, usually in most tragic ways. So to many people over there, such photographs are not "remote" at all - they are an integral part of their own history.
At the same time, it is saddening to see a new generation grow up oblivious to what their grandparents went through... People forget so easily!
I was specifically speaking about families like yours, who have lived through this, my point being it might feel remote to a young person raised on a life of peace and prosperity, but for many people it is very real.
(US Civil War ended in 1865; film was invented by George Eastman in 1884)
Lamenting the lack of architectural appreciation remains worthwhile.
Why? Humans conform nature to our needs. If we need a better building, why shouldn't we tear down an old one? All of the previous building's history will remain documented in, say, Wikipedia.
This is probably just the worldview of an inexperienced kid though.
(This is an honest question, not a statement of opinion.)
Of course, it helps that I live in a beautiful and old city (though hardly ancient compared to some) - as I write this I can look up at a castle perched on the plug of an extinct volcano, parts nearly a thousand years old, and think that this is really rather a nice place to live and work.
I suggest you walk the streets of Rome or Istanbul, sit in the center of an Egyptian pyramid or wonder at the stone houses of Skara Brae and then consider what the value of "old buildings" are.
There are a few good reasons that the science of geology was pretty much started here :-)
Dropping buildings in the midst of the U never gives things the chance to recover and move past fashion. Most buildings discarded are due to the design being old and out of date. But old buildings in a city plant the cities history in time and allow it to tell a story. Remember that 'Gothic' cathedrals were so named because the term was in regular use as a description of something vulgar. The Notre Dame in Paris was at one stage due for demolition until the story of Quasimodo re-inspired the public to keep it - the restoration is still ongoing.
Buildings can be re-purposed and still keep their charm. The mistake is in discarding things just because they are old.
It's very true that not all old things are worth keeping, but the benefit of the doubt must go to the building until the current fashion has moved into the past.
Also, in the case of Berlin, a lot of damaged structures have been reinforced and kept standing as they were at the end of the war. It reminds the city of what can happen if continual efforts towards peace are not made. These scars on the landscape are a constant reminder of the cities turbulent past, and help develop a sense of the story of the city while walking around.
Buildings are the ultimate encapsulator of society - it's where we live, die, make decisions and create history. As such they have a special importance in being kept to tell that story to newcomers.
From what I know of NYC, it's much the same, with bohemian lofts where old tenements once stood.
That's one of the things I miss most about New England, having moved out to California. Here, everything is cookie-cutter suburbia, built in a hurry during the 70s and 80s. There's none of the charm or history of the Boston area. I can walk around downtown Lowell and say "This is a charming city, even if it's a little economically depressed." I can't really say the same about San Jose, even though it's cleaner, safer, and much more well-off.
Montreal in Canada is also worth taking a look at.
Some of the old Spanish settlements in the South, and especially the old part of San Juan Puerto Rico are very old world feeling.
http://pics.ww.com/v/jacques/buildings/dscf1025.jpg.html
or this:
http://pics.ww.com/v/jacques/buildings/dscf1021.jpg.html
The oldest parts of this building date from the 12th century:
http://www.engelmunduskerkvelsenzuid.nl/images/foto_kerk_2.j...
I've actually had an office in the 'carpet factory' in Toronto, which was an industrial revolution age textile mill, amazing building, white pine roof beams that were easily 1 1/2' on a side in the section that we were in.
Fortunately some of those buildings remain, but an enormous number of them got torn down.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skara_Brae
Skara Brae had been abandoned for 1200 years when Troy fell!
For a building that can actually be used, how about this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tower_of_Hercules (1900 years old) or the Pantheon http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pantheon,_Rome (~1900 years).
Although my favourite is Hagia Sophia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hagia_Sophia - a youngster at almost 1500 years old.
The other buildings are in daily use though, which is why I used them instead of old Roman buildings and such.
https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Acoma_Pueblo
although there are ruins that are much older:
https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Chaco_Canyon
In other parts of the continent, there are much older continuously inhabited cities.
San Jose was founded in 1776. The houses in my neighborhood were built in 190x, mine in 1902.
All of the "mission" cities date from about that time. They're all full of old buildings. (Yes, there are Victorians in Monterey.) Heck, the Sacramento and Central Valley are full of towns that date from the 1850s.
Don't confuse Palo Alto with California.
On this point, a good thing to do is to keep some of the ubiquitous everyday things when you want to throw them away. Especially outdated technology like, say, old mobile phones. In 50 years they will become a rarity.
Holding costs you ask? Well, if you pay $10000 sq/ft/yr for your house (renting, buying, whatever) then it 'costs' you a fraction of that to keep stuff in boxes. Then, there is moving costs, insurance costs etc. I know this is an inane example, but the point is to make people realise that hoarding stuff has very real costs, one of which is the 'mental space' that it takes. We all know the feeling that comes from throwing stuff in the bin - that's the other side of the ledger to hanging onto it.
My point being that buildings are worth keeping, as are mobile phones to a mobile phone enthusiast. But we shouldn't just hang onto stuff because it might be worth something one day.
Edit: http://www.journal-news.net/page/content.detail/id/540017.ht... also, he is in good health.
(Apparently the people at HN tend to think of everything as a business opportunity ;) )
But I think that it goes deeper than that. Some of the buildings are so old that they should have fallen down long ago, it's just that there is always somebody that thinks that to repair it is the better course than to throw it down. Having a lot of historical buildings around you and near you sets the stage and it would feel unnatural to remove one of them and replace it with some modern house. When an old farmhouse burns down it usually gets rebuilt.
A big part of this is that all over europe there are heritage commissions that have a keen eye for what is and what is not of historical value and a relatively large amount of money is pumped in to maintaining those buildings that are deemed valuable. It isn't rare at all to see a 16th century building where I live (nl) and I know a couple (churches, mostly) that are older than 800 years.
For me the main reason not to tear it down is that destruction is easy, creation is not. By respecting that which was created by those that came before you get a deeper appreciation for you place in the world. Rather than document what the Sistine Chapel looks like and tearing it down (extreme example, ok), we have the original to look at, which gives a completely different sense of perspective on history. There is a reason why millions of tourists flock here to see these things with their own eyes, an image of a thing is not a replacement for the thing.
That goes for buildings, but it also goes for other works of art.
I, for one, love living in a >100-year-old apartment house with 3 ft thick walls and antique wavy glass windows.
On Sunday, we took a little trip to the countryside and roamed around a big castle built in 1100.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aleutian_Islands_Campaign
You're correct though, for all intents and purposes.
The US doesn't build many buildings with rocks.
(for the purposes of this statement, concrete is not a rock)
PS: Also, the US population was around 1/4 th of Frances population 200 years ago and that ratio get's more extreme the further back you go.
http://pics.ww.com/v/jacques/buildings/neatspot/07042007224....
It's a tiny little farmhouse, I spent 2 years rebuilding it.
Mine was actually built in 1885 according to the insurance company records of the day (back then, the insurance companies had an actual map of every house in a major town of Indiana, just in case somebody signed up for their insurance - and now it's all on microfiche at the library). The 1905 picture was the earliest I've found so far; it would have been interesting to see one from anything before 1901, when the front porch was built.
I love the house; it's built to last and even has a brick outhouse (which was in fact built like a brick outhouse). The neighborhood, not so much. Richmond's fortunes have fallen since the 1800's.
If those old walls could tell stories...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wall_Street_bombing http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bath_School_disaster http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boston_Police_Strike http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fire_balloon http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attacks_on_North_America_during... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Guam_(1944) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Arizona_Memorial http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Pastorius (unsuccessful) http://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Midway http://arcweb.sos.state.or.us/exhibits/ww2/threat/bombs.htm http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Happy_Time http://lebanon.usembassy.gov/
There are other examples.
PS: Also the US population was less than 1/7 th of Europe’s 200 years ago.
For some European cities, this would be killer .. I know a lot of people who are interested in the history of Europe from the perspective of WW2, and this could be quite an intriguing application to develop ..
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