I hate telephones
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Google itself suspects that these are spam calls, because it pops up a bright red "SUSPECTED SPAM CALLER" warning when the phone begins ringing. And yet, I have found no option to have the phone automatically decline the call. There's not even an option to silence the ringer for any call not from my contacts; I actually had to disable my ringer for all callers, by default, and then manually, one at a time, set a custom ringtone for each of my contacts.
This is completely absurd. Why is it so hard to configure my phone to only allow my friends to interrupt me at any moment of the day, rather than any rando? Turns out, I might also hate telephones.
iOS 10 added "call blocking" as an app-type, which lets you choose apps which can filter phone calls for you. They can flag calls as possible-spam, or completely block them. (See [1] for Hiya's options screen, as an example.)
An "only ring for my friends" feature is sort of possible. You can keep your phone in "do not disturb" mode, and add people who you want to be able to call you to your "VIPs" list to let them through. That's a fair bit of manual management, though, which is a pain.
I don't think it's possible to make a call-blocker app which functions as a whitelist, sadly, because I think this is like their browser content blockers and operates as the app providing a list of blocked numbers for privacy reasons.
You have also been able to limit ringing while in Do Not Disturb to starred contacts only, or even just "contacts" to eliminate the need to manage it like you mentioned [2].
[1] https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.webascende...
There's only 10,000,000,000 phone numbers, not even eliminating area codes that don't exist. I wonder if iOS will break on that...?
Oh, that must be why the AT&T Call Protect app fails to block spammers the first time they call me. Always wondered about that.
Optionally enable: If the same person calls a second time within a 15 minute period, allow it (might allow someone really trying to reach you to get through, might also allow a spam caller through).
1. Set a custom default ringtone.
2. Choose a silent wav file for this.
3. Assign a custom non-silent ringtone for selected known callers. (The ability to assign ringtones by groups helps here.)
Agreed that the situation is insane. I've stopped carrying a phone entirely, for this and other reasons. I can be reached, if necessary, by other means.
It also turns out that AT&T's chief lobbyist's contact inforation is available via FCC filings, and the number listed rings through to his voicemail. I've taken to letting him know about the spam phone call problem.
Bob Quinn.
Instead of blocking the spam calls, it connects a bot that ties up the caller in a pointless conversation for as long as it can. I'm sure this would result in the telemarketers removing you from their lists themselves.
It also customizes the message by looking for the caller number on spam services, and greeting them. At some point, I stopped receiving unwanted calls.
(I've never received a spam call on my now 20 year old phone number.)
Here's what does work (in my experience): answer the call, but say nothing, heck, mute your phone mic if you have to. Just give them silence. I'm not sure if there's some 'person on the other end' detection algorithm or what, but I went from 10-15 spam calls a day to 1 every few days. It took a little while, but it worked. Just don't answer strange numbers with a 'hello?', if someone's trying to reach you, they'll usually say it first.
Consider yourself lucky to never gets calls of this type. Between the out and out scammers and pollsters/political calls/charities (the latter categories are protected from landline junk call bans), I routinely get 3 or 4 a day.
In practice... there's some groups who are still allowed to call you even if you're on the registry. Others will just ignore it, and filing a complaint is difficult.
Not give them a big tiresome speech about how they are breaking the law, just ask them not to call anymore ("Please put this number on your courtesy do not call list"). They actually don't want to waste their time...
It's called Do Not Disturb, with Allow Exceptions, Calls from My Contacts Only. Android has it, and iOS does to (I think the options are even similarly named.)
> Why is it so hard to configure my phone to only allow my friends to interrupt me at any moment of the day, rather than any rando?
It's not that hard. EDIT: or maybe it is, because phones are complex devices with opaque UIs with poor discoverability. But the information is out there.
I set it up to immediately hang up any private numbers and not report a missed call, set it up to hang on up non-private numbers that are not in my address book and show a missed call, and it lets everyone else through who is in my address book.
Since doing this I couldn't be happier. I can't remember the last time I got an unsolicited call.
I don't have voicemail because I don't know how to set it up to have a recorded message that doesn't accept voicemails. I'd like to set it up so that I can say 'you can contact me on this email address' but not accept a voicemail message, then it'd be perfect.
The people who need to be able to contact me are already in my address book. Everyone else can send me an email.
I recently switched my main phone to IOS and it is by far the feature I miss the most.
I haven't found a good solution for auto directing spam calls to voicemail beyond using Do Not Disturb from 8 pm to 7 am.
I advertise for that around me. Operators can stop that if they want.
Very frustrating
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.vladlee.bl...
Also, some Android phones seem to allow you to block calls from unknown numbers:
https://community.ee.co.uk/t5/4G-and-mobile-data/How-to-bloc...
Sources:
https://michaelrkn.github.io/how-to-sue-a-telemarketer/
https://www.forbes.com/sites/legalnewsline/2016/08/25/filing...
Criminals from India call us here in AUS pretending to be from some legitimate call centre, advising us of some non-existent government rebate.
Another good idea: a phone call from an unknown caller should be alerted with a short text stating who they are and what they want.
If that's not to your liking a third party app would most likely be all you need.
I will have to look into third-party apps. I never really considered it, as I use Google Voice and want to keep using it, and didn't really think about it maybe being possible to use Voice plus something else that deals with calls...it seems like Voice is already too intrusive to inject more stuff in there (my calls are already delayed by as much as a couple of seconds coming in and out because of Voice; seems like more would just guarantee that I can't answer legit calls before it goes to voicemail).
But, I do need to sort it out. Recently I've been getting multiple calls a day and have resorted to leaving my ringer off completely. My mom worries, though, if I don't answer for a while.
I recently moved and immediately found the number of spam calls increase drastically. From 1-2 a week to ten a day.
What they do is notify companies that already have your address of your new address. So (for example) your phone company and your magazine subscriptions are told of your new address.
They don't sell or disclose phone numbers.
There is also no way to opt out.
I don't hear, so I don't phone. However some business is almost impossible to conduct without phoning. AWS requires identification by phone. Customs tried to call me to ask me something about my bike I sent home from a holiday abroad. Credit cards are only unblocked by a phone call. And so on. (And phone relays are only a partial solution because some commpanies deem them insecure - I have currently a credit card I was not able to unblock, I will send them a cancellation notice.)
So, in other words, it's not hatred or perhaps an anxiety disorder, but a real discrimination of a disability, which leads me to agree with Mr Fisher.
And since texting (mobile short message service) TTY slowly went out of use, at least here in Switzerland. I still own a TTY device, however I haven't used it for more than ten years.
An interesting technical tidbit here: My TTY is using V.21, however with only one channel and with 110 baud. I researched the TTY with recording on a sound card and analysing the tones. Bit 0 is represented by a sinus wave of 1180Hz, 1 by 980Hz with a duration of 9.1ms each. A byte was transferred with 10 bits (total duration 91ms), 1 bit was a stop bit and the other one a parity bit (I am not sure, I forgot some details). Additionally there was a carrier tone at 1080Hz which was held for about 3 seconds after the last byte has been sent.
This means it was not possible that both parties simultaneously send. We had a convention that the other party is allowed to answer when we type two asterisks.
A phone relay service in Switzerland still continues to use this convention in their JavaScript application. It is a simulation of the old TTY device they sold to people. I think they had to use websockets because every letter is sent to the other party right away.
Perhaps they have different identification rules for people not in the US.
https://www.fcc.gov/consumers/guides/711-telecommunications-...
There's a scene where David (Matthew Broderick) is alone with McKittrick (Dabney Coleman) in his office being interrogated separated by an office desk. While they're sitting there the telephone on McKittrick's desk starts ringing, which he silently ignores keeping his eyes glued on David, who grows increasingly uncomfortable as the phone keeps ringing and going unanswered.
I recall when that movie first came out there was a terrible tension in the air because nobody ignored a phone back then. Leaving it to just ring away felt wrong and unacceptable. Now whenever a phone rings I mostly just go "ugh" and feel no obligation to get to it at all.
As I watched that scene again I felt nothing of that original tension. I wonder how that scene would effect younger people today watching it for the first time?
If I ever play and win the lottery this is the one thing I would spent big money on. No expensive cars, no expensive wine, just a person which takes care of everything.
Need a new insurance for the car? Tell the secretary to do it. Car is broken? Tell the secretary to take care of it. Need a hotel? Tell the personal secretary to book one. Phone broken? Just send an email "Please order me a Samsung S8" and it will magically appear the next day. Don't like it? Just tell them to send it back.
This would solve 95% of my daily struggles and it would improve the quality of my life way more than any expensive yacht or car could ever do.
In fact if you have a group of half a dozen people who each pay a few hundred $ a month you could almost employ one person who takes care of such stuff even as a not-so-rich person.
You could move to Singapore, where a full-time (24x6) "domestic helper" costs about 400 USD per month. They'll cook meals for you, help care for your kids, buy groceries, do laundry, etc. Some people I know say they'd never move back to the US because of this.
For comparison, that cost is roughly 15-20% of typical rent.
On the other hand, I've known a few young people in Indonesia and the like who really would make excellent PAs of the kind the OP desires, and their salaries are not much more. We're talking university graduate, excellent English and phone manners, and the kind of proactive dedication to a task that one greatly desires in an employee - $500/m or less. I agree, there could be a market.
Are you going to send it yourself, and miss out on the archetypal secretarial duty of dictation?
Concierge/Valet services seem to be very valued by rich people (and I guess it would be a hard habit to wean off).
There's definitely work being done on replacing some of that with AI (and it's hard, as rich people want GOOD service).
I think the very wealthy handle this via specialists with specific licensing, but I personally had no luck going the virtual assistant route.
But hiring someone you’ve never met in person to deal with money or legally binding documents is a recipe for getting your assets stolen or worse.
- Dial the below number. It'll show a bunch of information, including your voicemail number. Remember/copy the number.
*#67#
- Create a new contact. I put "Phone Off" in the company name field. Use the below number as its phone number, replacing the "X"s with the number from the first step, including country code. Calling this contact will tell the network to forward all calls to voicemail without the phone ringing. *21*+XXXXXXXXXXX#
- Create another new contact. I put "Phone On" in the company name field. Enter the phone number below. Calling it will cancel call forwarding. ##21#
I added both of these contacts to my favorites and can tap them to enable/disable calls. Right now, I'm only planning to turn off forwarding when I'm actively expecting a call. It turns out that my phone puts an indicator in the status bar when forwarding is turned on, which is cool. Let's see how it goes.My teenage daughter seems very reluctant to make a phone call. Watching her try and organise something with her friends drives me a bit spare as it involves hours of waiting for poorly worded, ambiguous messages on Facebook or texts, with me suggesting several times, “Why don’t you just call them, and get it all figured out right now?”
On the other hand, watching my Dad buy a new mobile phone is really fun. The salesperson is trying to up-sell him on all the features of a phone, “You have unlimited texts, and it has an app to make you taller, and…” and my Dad just keeps asking, “Yeah, but can it make phone calls?”
I guess I fall somewhere in between.
I do find, when there is a scene in a TV show or movie where someone’s phone keeps ringing incessantly and they keep cancelling it while trying to have the deep and meaningful conversation with someone wanting to yell, “Don’t you know how to turn your phone off?!”
I do hate voicemail. Not so much leaving them, but having to check them. Probably because I hate any “interactive” system that involves sentences like, “To hear a list of all the ways technology has improved your life, please press one…”
Unsolicited calls to mobiles is not a big thing in Australia (yet) so I’m lucky there.
On the home line, I have an old analogue modem to pick up caller ID information for incoming phone calls using NCID[1].
When a call comes in:
* Automatically pauses the music player on my PC.
* Looks up the number in my address book, and displays the information on my screen. Also sends to the two Kodi/OSMC servers, for people watching TV.
This assumes it is not on my block-list. If it is on my block-list of known scammer and telemarketer numbers then it as automatically answered with a recording of the “This number has been disconnected…” message to try and trick them.
I don’t have to remember it or write it down - it's already written down.
Also I have a feeling that a lot of the "have a meeting" guys are the same that will try to tell another version of what was said in the meeting.
You aren’t sure even with text though - at some point I had an ex-colleague telling me what I had written, so I found the actual mail that proved my version.
His answer: but that was not what you meant...
My job requires interacting with lots of people, be it customers, suppliers, investors I can easily interact with 100 people a day who are not onsite and by mid afternoon I look forward to those I can deal with on the phone - even just for two minutes as it’s a break from typing. I often thank suppliers for calling when I answer as I know it’s a chance for some wider bandwidth communications that won’t require numerous back and forths.
> it is far easier to work through something even remotely complicated with voice instead of text
I find that this is the exact opposite. Trying to explain an error message (or have an error explained to me), or providing numbers, a name, an address, etc. is always a nightmare on the telephone.
"I'm sorry was that a 'e' or a 'z'?"
"Was that a 9 or a 5?"
Maybe it's just a bad phone connection where we can't hear each other properly. But even in the impossible crystal clear reception circumstances:
"What are you seeing right now?"
"Navigate to this address: http://<unnecessarily long url> "
"I talked to someone before and they said..."
"Please hold"
These are all limitations of the platform, or maybe limitations with how it's implemented.
How exactly are you able to work through 'complex issues' better through a phone?
Because it's rude. It has always been rude, but now with the phone in your pocket it's that much worse. She doesn't know what her friend isn't doing at the moment, and shouldn't impose.
The featured article gives a better impression of this than I can... but I'll add that the tragedy of the commons is a factor.
You can't just show up from outer space and scream out of someone's pocket whenever you want. This will hopefully be a fleeting technological phenomenon.
You have to understand people originally got phones so they could be contacted which is in direct contradiction to your assertion "It has always been rude". Actually no it was originally desirable. A whole unwritten social etiquette sprung up around use of phones, in fact, because some people could be rude or found certain behavior rude. But people got phones because they wanted that medium.
Certainly when cell phones first sprung into existence some of those social contracts changed due to the cost and the fact in the US the recipient paid for the call and there were no unlimited calling plans. It could be considered rude keep someone on the phone then they're paying anywhere from 25 cents to one dollar per minute to speak to you.
When texting first came into play each text could be 10 or 20 cents each. Again, sending excessive texts would be considered rude.
Social norms have changed over time and I really don't know anyone young or old who shares your view that they consider any phone call an intrusion no matter the reason.
it's only since texting became a thing that it started to seem more rude to call but like others have said we just ask "ok to call?"
My preferred communication means are: phone, email and everything else could disappear and I wouldn't care. Really, everything is just a poor implementation of the phone or email.
Counterpoint: I travel a lot, mostly between the US and Europe and use different SIM cards and therefore phone numbers in different places. Half the people I want to talk to at any given time would have to make an international call, and don't necessarily know where I am and which number to use.
My Skype and Google Hangouts usernames don't change though. Even apps like Signal and Whatsapp that use a phone number as an identifier (which I HATE) continue working the same unless they need to be reinstalled. Sometimes I don't even get a local SIM card and those apps still work wherever there's a Wifi connection.
There's probably some global roaming thing I could pay through the nose for, but it isn't important enough to me to be that easy to reach.
Don't you find it inconvenient to be interrupted by the phone?
Sometimes I'm in a bad mood or deep in thought and it's just not a good time for me to get into communication mode.
Then there is always the awkwardness of ending the call.
Talking on the phone effectively sucks a lot of my energy and causes anxiety afterwards. It's a non trivial event.
I'd much rather see the person in person where we can communicate properly and with full attention and the time to properly do so.
But some people seem to be able to effortlessly answer the phone and switch their train of thought to deal with whoever it is without skipping a beat. I envy that ability.
My phobia was cured when I got a girlfriend who liked talking on the phone, plus we were away from each other most of the week so it was a good idea to do so. So if talking on the phone gives you anxiety and you would rather not have it, talking to a loved one might be good therapy.
However, I still hate phones (as in phone calls, not smartphones and their wondrous apps) for everything but personal communication with close friends or relatives. I hate how phones bluntly and suddenly interrupt anything you're doing, how you don't necessarily know who is calling, how you don't see the other person's face and how they require to answer now.
When I was younger I seemed to be in a minority for hating phones, but we seem to grow more and more. I look forward to a world where we can conduct any business by email, text messages or, in the minority of cases where it's really needed, previously agreed Skype calls.
I would call them, and be met with a robocall. The robocall would not really have a section for what I actually needed to do, so I would stumble around and often end up at the wrong person. Often we were both confused and it wasn't clear what was going on.
Every time I called, it's a different person. I have to tell them my contact information and details every time. There's no continuity from previous discussions.
Sometimes, the phone would cut out, for a reason I still haven't figured out. Often in the middle of me talking to someone, and since there's no continuity, all that time is now lost.
I had different people tell me different things at the same phone number.
I end up with no record of my conversations, so it's hard to go back later and say: "Hey, they told me to do X, but it didn't work".
Holds, holds, holds. When I finally did a phone call that fixed everything, I spent about an hour and I was bounced between 5 different departments, including one case of being bounced in a cycle. Overall, I had to call this company about 5 times.
I don't hate phones per se, I like talking to people on the phone if it's a productive conversation for both of us. But I absolutely hate the idea of figuring out something important or receiving a service via a phone.
> Somehow NOBODY was able to help me. I was so fed up with this situation that I moved countries half way around the world.
It's funny how much I can relate to this. I did eventually figure it out but it very much made me want to move somewhere else.
You are correct that there is no excuse, but companies still do it all the time.
I'm just not the guy always ready for a call. I rarely pick up the phone or open the door for a unknown call, and yes it can create stress. Quite often I am very focussed and balanced, one call can ruin that state. If you cannot find yourself in this, please don't create a disease out of it.
That would be the ringtone. ( I suppose there are a large number of people who have never heard a dial tone.)
The kid picked up the phone in the room and said: “It’s making a noise.” Boyfriend said: “Maybe you called the front desk by mistake.” Kid said: “No, it’s some kind of buzzing noise.” Boyfriend laughed and said: “Oh, that’s the dial tone!” I immediately felt old. This ten-year-old didn’t know what a dial tone was.
It’s easy to forget that kids are growing up with different technology than we did. :)
Or that they can register their number in a public registry that fully explains who they are and then I can decide whether to take calls from that number.
"But you won't be able to receive calls!", the salesperson objected.
"Perfect."
I only answer the call if it is my parents calling.
This feature existed (still exists?) for land lines as far back as 2000. It was an add-on service offered by MCI when they started to sell local service in NY and a few other markets. I imagine that it was probably available beyond MCI, but this is speculation.
Source: worked there at the time
It can also lead to priority inversion. You handle the caller first despite having a higher priority (like a person next to you). Phone calls feel more urgent. Some people exploit this (e.g. salesmen).
(I might have phone anxiety, but weaker than in the article, and this is just me rationalizing it?)
A weaker variant of this are WhatsApp voice messages. You can delay listening to them, but you cannot skim to the relevant parts and must listen to the drivel before. "Hi ... uh ... sorry for this voice message ... uh ... but I'm too busy to type right know so I thought I'd rather talk ..." Am I the only one who finds this impolite and rude? Obviously this person does not value my time because I have to invest the time to listen. A text message would take a fraction of the time to read. Especially, because people would leave out the drivel. The waste of time multiplies if such voice messages go to group chats.
> email to arrange a more suitable time
Or better yet, provide the important details over email and then if there is some unimaginable reason why an audio medium is still required to convey information (identify a bird call? place a long distance call with a whistle?) then contact over the phone.
Phones don't even have a polite way to decline conversation, a button labeled "Call me 1 hour later" or similar.
> The problem is the medium. The problem is synchronous communication. The problem is the telephone. I hate telephones.
> I’m told that, in 1993, 2.5 million people in the UK had “telephone phobia”. That’s over 4%, similar to rates of arachnophobia. This is not unusual, and I’d bet rates are higher now. Everyone hates telephones.
> ...Asynchronous textual communication is how everyone communicates remotely now. It’s here to stay. Killing the telephone is a big market.
I don't hate telephones. I do however hate the implied (and quite arrogant) call to action in that post "I hate telephones and like chat, so we all should get rid of them and exclusively communicate via chat"
So, if the matter is important then a phone call is completely appropriate. But if it's just a call to say "hey, how's it going?" then perhaps a text message or email is a better choice with a "let me know when it's a good time to call" added in so you can have a normal voice conversation without either party being interrupted.
For example a few weeks ago I was having problems with my phone, so I contacted OnePlus via their chat, and the lady on the other end arranged the RMA process quickly.
Much quicker than having to enunciate my email address, home address etc over the phone, plus I had a transcription that I could refer to afterwards in follow up emails.
Big companies seem even less like likely to have an email address where you can get service.
The companies can keep their phone line. It’s just better for customers and likely cheaper for them to provide other options.
Occasions I took unknown calls were all scams, and these days, it just won't worth the hassle of dealing with them.
What frustrate me the most is when I call them back, it's not a direct line, and/or when the person doesn't answer yet their voice mail is not activated so I can't leave a message.
Why do companies expect a direct line to me, but no direct line back to them? Why is this a one way street? This is easily solved by letting customers arrange an appointment to call or be called.
I recently made the mistake of helping carry the load at work by answering the phone there. It's alright, mostly scripted, & my lack of customer friendliness (Surprising the amount of silence yes/no answers invoke) will hopefully transition us away from having a developer handling support calls soon
A lot of jobs are important. That doesn't imply that everyone should want to do every job.
Customer support is just one job among many. And disliking customer support isn't disliking customers.
You do realize those annoying customers wouldn't have anything to call about if it without those introverted developers who are busy programming whatever's been management's whim since last sprint?
There seems to be some principle in play where the misuse of a communications channel rises to the point where it's annoying but not quite unusable. If I got 20 junk calls a day, I'd have to turn my phone off. As it is, it's at nuisance level but still usable.
As I recall the service was also extremely inexpensive as part of a DSL bundle. It is true that the landline was a powerful spam magnet, much more so than my cell.
- Until we switched wholesale to a videoconferencing provider, I pretty much needed a landline for work purposes. In addition to just routine conference calls, our webcast provider wanted us on landlines when we gave webinars and I had little desire to go into the office at 11pm at night for the Asia Pacific webcast slot.
- I get poor cellphone reception at my house. Not really an issue now with WiFi assist but I pretty much needed a landline (actually Comcast triple-play) before that.
- I preferred having phones throughout the house and having an emergency backup.
- I like/liked the ability to give out a legitimate phone number that is not my cell.
The ringer on it is turned off though, I've never given out the number to anyone. Nor do I ever use it.
It's nice to know it's there though, I guess as a last resort in emergency situations.
Online chats on websites are usually undermanned and overall useless. On the phone I am sure I have at least one person's attention. The rep isn't trying to talk to five people at the same time, we can both focus on the issue, the back and forth is almost instantaneous, and we can come to some conclusion at the end.
Using the phone means
1. Listening to a long list of automated selections, none of which are ever useful (pretty much information more easily available over the Internet). 2. Getting placed on hold for tens of minutes or an hour or more. 3. Talking to someone who will ignore your question and ask if you have tried some obvious or irrelevant option. 4. Forwarded to someone else who might be able to help you with your problem. 5. Maybe getting cut off, needing to start the entire process over again from the beginning.
In short, without massive increases in staffing and training, using the phone for customer support is almost always worse than an equivalent text, web, or email based solution.
The article went into even more detail about these shortcomings than I did, by the way.
A recent example: I wanted to book a suite at a hotel. The hotel is not tall, and it overlooks a very noisy bar on one side. Is it possible to get a suite on the other side? Where will I be located, anyway?
This information is not online. Instead I have to engage in a phone call. Spend some time on hold. Bounce between people who work in the hotel and a reservations desk a couple of time. Eventually I get the answer, and it's exactly what I want.
But. I'm bothered in two directions. One, that the information is not at my fingertips.
The other, that I find it irritating to have that actual conversation to get the information I want. I'd like to have a better handle on this mental impatience.
And as for receiving I remember someone mentioning that a ringing phone is essentially someone saying "Speak to me now, speak to me now, speak to me now". It is an inherently rude form of communication because it demands instant attention with no regard to what you may be doing.
I just don't answer calls these days unless they are from family. I was getting a lot of sales calls from my electricity provider who also wanted to sell me gas. We don't have gas at our home, but they wouldn't log that fact. So I blocked their number.
Last week I got an email from them saying that they had been trying to call me for some time to let me know about an amazing offer, and that they think I may have accidentally blocked their number.
Of course, they couldn't just put the details of the offer in the email. I had to call them.
I wonder how he would have survived in the days of only telephones and no text messages, or in the days of no telephones and only unexpected raps at the door.
His indictment of telephone customer service is thorough. Even people who don't normally dread phone calls probably dread trying to call a company.
What surprises me is the author not having the online credentials handy. I also hate phone calls with a passion, and the first thing I look for in a bank is the online interface and how good their app is maintained.
I had to give up on well regarded local banks because of how they focus on “human touch” and had sub-par online tools.
Same with doctors, it took a lot of time to find a range of doctors that had online reservation systems but that’s definitely doable in europe at least.
I survived the years where phoning people was the only way, but even then I tried to have alternatives (actually going to the company’s office was usually a lot better for instance).
Basically I think telephone was a mistake, and wish it a painful and quick death so we forget about it yesterday.
that just lowered my opinion of him. first he mentions there is an online service, but for some reason he can't be bothered to obtain the user id required to use it. similarly with his bank, he can't use facebook messenger to communicate with them (and why on earth would he want to) and mentions their other digital banking services for online access, but again refuses to use them. the report of millions of people with 'telephone phobia' is misrepresenting things - there are not 4.5 million people with a mental condition that causes them fear and anxiety when confronted by a telephone, there are that many people who don't like phones, the same as there are that many people who don't like spiders. and the idea that the NHS might be trying to save money by providing a telephone service staffed 24/7 is just so ludicrous it's hard to know how to respond. the author obviously has mental health issues regarding social interactions, and should seek help for that issue rather than trying to replace the telephone.
Not only are 99% of phone calls a waste of time, you’re inefficient with no written log of the conversation (not even for security but also to improve workflow and prioritisation / memory recall), furthermore the impact of the context shifting from what I’m currently working on / deep in thought over to a jarring phone conversation at the time that suits the caller - is incredibly disruptive.
I manage teams of support engineers/agents.
They will do anything to avoid a phone call.
Indeed, almost all the time, phone calls lead nowhere, only to emotional distress.
If you have a really serious issue, you need to escalate to an actual software/platform engineer, and that's something that takes hours, if not days.
That said, some customers weren't able to share screens (typically because they were working with classified systems), so I acquired the fairly uncommon skill of directing people through a Unix system by speaking commands letter by letter in the NATO phonetic alphabet while navigating through my own example system. That was slow, but it worked, and was necessary given the restrictions.
With my newer service provider, phone support is seen as some sort of extra option in case of emergencies, and is treated more or less as a pager system. Calls come in with no context, we do not have screen sharing, and the experience is generally terrible for both the customer and support agent.
No means of support is inherently bad, but all means of contacting support have their limitations. Good support departments recognize those limitations and address them, so that all avenues of support are effective for either addressing an issue or communicating why it must be handled via another channel if it's not something that can be resolved at the point of contact.
/ring
Me: Hello.
Caller: Hello, is this <my name>
Me: Who is this?
Caller: IS THIS <my name>?
Me: Who is this?
Caller: Sir, I can not give you any information until you identify yourself.
Me: Hahah. /click
Don't call me and make demands. Seriously. If you aren't willing to tell me why you just called this number, I'm not even going to verify I'm a person let alone identify myself.
Perhaps what's changed is that calls are no longer expensive, and numbers are no longer hand-dialled, so knowing as quickly as possible that you had connected to the wrong number or person is not as important. There's probably other cultural issues at work, I guess, to do with an increased awareness of privacy and so on. The way we communicate has certainly been changed by the Internet and mobile phones in an enormous way.
Me: Hello!
Caller: Am I talking to an individual or a company?
Me: You should know who you're calling.
My answer really throws a wrench into their flowchart, they don't even know which product/service to try to sell me.
Someone wants somethings from me ("please can you do this or that for me"). Or it's bad news. :-/
Email and text messages are better tools for me: you answer when you want to whom you want.
I've never liked the phone, but I really hate it these days when there are so many better ways to communicate.
It messes you up.
In terms of startup ideas, there is probably an Uber like service opportunity here. An app where your "operators" can download and put on their phone, and when ever they want to they can put them selves "active" at which point you will route calls to them over your VOIP network, they take calls, record the data (name and number). You pay them per hour to be on-call, your customers pay you per call, and for infrastructure you need an enterprise account with a VOIP provider, a web site, and a way to accept payments. (That might be what Answer America is doing, I don't know but it seems pretty doable)
Anyway, the big problem with this concept is the profitability of answering services is predicated on constantly changing the rates and dropping "dead weight clients" (that is an industry term from the guy who facilitates answering service sales). I don't know if this is possible in an uberized answering service.
Would answered calls be worth enough that people would pay a higher rate during higher demand periods? I honestly don't think so.
The industry could stand some innovation - it is severely lacking. Why is it that 70% of all answering service sites are not served with TLS?
(hint: proprietary answering service equipment vendors have choked the industry and now it can't innovate)
There are a two things which are orthogonal here, one is capturing what might be called 'fractional GDP' from available workers. Basically that is ways in which people are creating an easy way for an individual worker to work or not work based by creating a disintermediated interface between the service users and the service providers. The 'App' economy, the 'Gig' economy, what ever you call it, it tries to create a lightly held employment relationship between service provider and client in the form of an application and a payment provider.
The second thing is whether or not there is enough value in a telephone answering service that it can be successfully monetized. That is an operational efficiency question which would depend on some research into the hows and whats of implementing such a service. Customers for such a service go from the rich and famous who might go so far as to hire a staff member to screen their calls, to someone who has never considered it. Using existing infrastructure and full time staff clearly hits a minimum cost point, and then folks like the author of the essay don't get enough value to hire the service at the rates they need to charge.
Bottom line is if the service can be restructured in such a way to be additionally more efficient such that you can capture the low end of the market and perhaps serve the upper end at a better rate. If you can that is a business.
I use Twilio with a small bit of code to call their APIs when I receive a voicemail, and send me an SMS transcription of the content of the audio.
Costs much less than $1 a call!
Missed calls and voicemail show up in my email, transcribed to text and everything.
Given this, there is usually no reason to have a phone that can be rung by arbitrary callers.
Now, it is always a distraction... my girlfriend frequently calls without warning in the middle of a text conversation, and i often don't answer because i'm not ready. It takes a far greater level of attention and commitment to talk on the phone than to participate in a text based conversation.
In addition to potentially avoiding phone calls in the future, this also makes it more likely you'll actually be informed if you owe them money or otherwise need to respond. Otherwise, they don't have to make any effort to contact you over any medium other than paper mail (and if you're lucky phone), and if you happen to not read it or not answer the call, or maybe you've moved addresses and the forwarding period has ended, they can just send your account to collections. Only then, once your credit is sufficiently ruined, will the collections agency actually put some effort into getting a hold of you.
It's such a crazy system, there really needs to be some kind of national digital notification service to replace USPS for sending people legally binding notifications and bills.
More companies might need to accelerate towards offering text/chat options for their customer service if they don't already. It may not directly put a customer off, but it might be another signal in a list of comparisons that pushes the scales in favour of a competitor.
1. Why do we use a loose, unstructured medium like voice for customer support and the script and restrict almost everything about it? Maybe basic support would be better in a different medium and only escalations go to phone? 2. Social engineering is still one of the most effective ways of hacking and the phone is a great medium for that. Yet we apparently year the phone like a more secure channel.
What else would you use?
And you know what? Most friends quickly learned to respect it. They know they can always communicate to me via e-mail and I'll happily call them back or meet or whatever is needed. I use my phone mainly as a minicomputer with an additional function of communicating with the person I choose. And for these rare cases when I actually need to wait for an important phone call (this happens once a year maybe) I use an old throwaway phone with a prepaid SIM card. I only switch it on for as long as it's needed.
If you get the chance I suggest listening to Diane Rehm's segment: https://dianerehm.org/shows/2016-11-23/teens-and-tech
At one point I was getting dozens of spam calls every day. I thought I'd just whitelist the numbers I'd want to let contact me, but for some reason Android does not come with this feature. The problem with 3rd party apps is that you still receive a call, but it hangs up immediately, so you will still have a notification and sometimes a vibration if the app doesn't respond immediately. So I said to hell with it and I turned off all incoming calls. If people need to talk to me, they can leave a voicemail or text me beforehand.
When companies insist on only contacting me directly via the phone and expecting an immediate answer; yet forcing me into a labyrinth to talk to a stranger when I need to contact them: Why would I ever agree to this horrible one-way street?
Also, has call quality completely tanked in the last decade or is it just me?
Opus will hopefully end the mish-mash of codecs that currently permeate telephony, as it is much higher quality at lower bitrates, and unlike GSM, ulaw, and even G722 (which some call HD Voice) it can handle packet loss gracefully. Makes all commonly used codecs look terrible in comparison.
I have noticed a reluctance to use the goddammed phone as intended - rather than call me to discus something important and time sensitive people will just add a task to base camp in a some what passive aggressive way
Yet I also hate telephones for all of the reasons that the author listed. Part of a past job involved helping customers over the phone. Calls are interruptive, unreliable, and inefficient. Repeating names, addresses, numbers, or relying on customers to accurately describe something. There is no real authentication.
Maybe it's a good medium for people who have trouble writing/typing effectively.
My friends do not use the telephone either. We agree where/when via text or email.
You see typically extroverted people having no problems with being on the phone all the time, probably because they call equally extroverted people who do the same. Look at sales people, or people who have to work with other people a lot, they approach the phone as a tool for getting what they want and quickly.
My solution, as an introvert, is to never answer calls from people who are not my family. I have a twillio service setup that manages my voicemail and sends me an SMS message of the transcription, that way I can review the content and purpose of the call and decide what to do next (although I don't think Twilio's voice transcription service can accurately decipher British accents that well so you do end up with some hilarious results)
99% of time it's either recruiters who've managed to scalp my number from somewhere, or the odd spam caller.
For me, I'll give an example - chimney sweep. The company I use lets me request a service appointment online and lists it's prices online. The rest I saw I had to call for both prices and appointments. No, thanks.
"If you have to ask for the price, then you can't afford it."
Well, I probably can afford it, but if I have to ask for the price then the business is asking more from me than I am of them. I'll go with whatever competitor doesn't seem to be actively hiding something from me, thanks.
That's generally the only thing landline phones are good for anymore. When I lived in the UK I was with the nerdiest ISP there (AAISP) and they offer a "broadband only" landline, that carries your DSL and a basic diagnostic service including a dialtone (mostly to prevent wayward OpenReach engineers from misdiagnosing your copper pair as "unused"), but no real phone calls. Suited me fine.
I know it's all YMMV, but the number of spam phone calls that I receive has dropped to zero (not exaggerating here). There used to be one annoying travel/timeshare caller, but I reported them to the FTC two or three times, and that took care of it. I personally believe that it's fairly easy because of the time and date information that your phone's dialer/phone app records, but it could be easier with a bespoke FTC "donotcall" app. I'd rather involve the FTC in this sort of thing because it is part of their mandate, and benefits that they bring get propagated to all phone users (Android/iPhone/Windows Phone/feature phones/landlines).
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</Response>
(that will ring for 10 minutes before hanging up)I think this will be interesting because there is probably a lot of overlap between people critical of phones and people critical of voicemail ... but it's actually sort of difficult to have a phone without voicemail.
If you disable voicemail with your carrier, it doesn't work the way you think (hope) it will. When you fail to answer, the carrier gives some weird message about the subscriber being unavailable which just makes people think you don't pay your phonebill or something. In short, you cannot, from the standpoint of your carrier, just have no response other than ringing.
But with twilio you can ...
I've spent a while thinking about this over the years. I think a much better form of interaction is the landline answering machine: the caller will be heard for a few seconds ("Hi it's Bob, are you there?"), the recipient can decide whether to answer, and if not then the caller doesn't know if they were available or not. Contrast that with current BS like "it disconnected after one ring, so I know you hit cancel".
A similar mode of interaction is that of the walkie talkie, although that doesn't give the option of leaving a message.
I would never call if there is another way using text or other medium, I will not answer if it is not known or there is a good probability I know what it is. If I really have to make a call, that entails preparations and lots of wasted energy (it is wasted since would write it down, and then I could just send it as text and it would be easy to read and understand...)
Sure I can and do use Truecaller, and other ways to block spam or unwanted calls, and It really does work. I still hate the phone though.
I really hate the phone when someone rings me and spends 10 minutes getting to the point of the call which is something that could have been done in a text/email, wasn't urgent and largely is a yes/no thing.
Also if you send and email and then ring 20 minutes later to see if I got the email a) I hate you b) I'll DND your extension (I read the manual for our phones at work - I think I am probably the only one who has).
The only person who can actually make my work phone make a ringing noise is the boss, everyone else who isn't on the DND list just makes the display flash blue.
I'd be surprised if there isn't a twillio-based system for this already...
I can’t believe we’re at version 11 of iOS when people needed a backgrounded/tiny phone UI since about iOS 2.
But author has a point about banks being particularly egregious offenders of phone dependency. They are progressing. With voice print and zelle. As well as iris scans. But I still need face to face in person meetings about once per month. And though face authenticated live full duplex video can serve as a proxy. Trust that is built from a personal connection may never be disrupted.
Completely irrational, I know, but that's where I'm at. Usually if I want to make a phonecall I arrange it with the person for a set time that suits both parties.
I would think sooner or later the telemarketers are training the public/the masses that answering unknown calls isn’t worth it making it an unprofitable business. Just read all the comments here and on Facebook re: this... ppl just don’t answer the phone like they use to.
For me If we haven’t spoken before text, email, FB or leave me a voice message and I’ll call you or actually answer your call.
What? No.
Once upon a time, a business department could take a message and return it later. You know, exactly like what you would do with email. Asynchronously.
It's easier to lie and say "I'm deaf" because they have some awareness of that.
Also, in England, you can self refer to IAPT and most people start under 6 weeks and 96% of people start under 18 weeks.
> Recently, when I was at mum’s alone, the house phone rang. I didn’t answer it. It rang again immediately. I didn’t answer it. It rang again immediately. I stood over it, willing it to stop, palms sweating.
That meets the UK legal definition of a disability, and under UK law he can ask for reasonable adjustments to avoid telephones. He could give his mental health status as the reason he needs the reasonable adjustment, but most places won't know much about that, and so it would be easier if he used hearing impairment - many places know about hearing impairment, and have processes in place to avoid telephone use.
Maybe I should have said I'm speaking from personal experience: I've got a bank and some bits of government departments and some bits of the NHS to use email rather than telephone with me.
2. I never answer my calls. They go to voicemail. All of them. I do not even have incoming phone service in the first place; I have a data only plan and an Anveo subscription. I will call you back via VoIP if I choose to do so, at my convenience, at my desk, indeed armed with all the data I need to make a successful call.
I still don't get why people would prefer phone over texts or emails. The main thing I miss is a copy and paste!
As both an introvert and a technical person I do almost everything I do with deep concentration, whether that be coding, playing piano, reading papers, biking, driving, or hiking. A single phone ring, a single "hey what's up", while I'm in the middle of coding causes a cataclysmic implosion of an immensely complicated thought structure that takes a several minutes to rebuild. A single phone ring while I'm biking or driving is honestly dangerous. A single phone ring while I'm playing the piano and not only will I lose track of what I'm trying to learn, but I will also not be in a state of mind to speak a human language, and will probably answer the phone call with gibberish. Hence, my phone is in airplane mode a lot of the time. The rest of the time I have a call blocker on that only accepts calls from a few known numbers. The only time I turn off the call blocker is if someone has pre-arranged a phone call with me and it's on my calendar.
I also highly value social time and try to give 100% undivided attention during them. I loathe people who look at their phones while I'm trying to talk to them, and people who ask me to go to dinner with them and then go on a phone call for 50% of the dinner. It makes me feel unimportant, makes me feel like I wasted my time trekking out to meet them. I don't want to do the same thing to other people.
I realize that not everyone is like that. But I get the worst end of the stick when people think they can just call me "sometime in the afternoon". Realistically that means I will get NOTHING done that entire afternoon except wait for your damn phone call because I need to deal with your inability to schedule a time and respect my time. I honestly miss the days when cell phones had not yet been invented. I miss the days when people would just set a time and place, meet, talk, leave, and get on with business according to a plan.
I do, however, love the ability to access the internet from anywhere for maps, bus/train times, news, and other information, when I want it.
Oh, another reason I hate calls and typically shut my phone off is because it's increasingly difficult to do so in privacy. I spend a lot of time outdoors, on public transit, and so on, and the last thing I need is a bunch of bystanders staring and eavesdropping on my calls, and even commenting on what I'm speaking. I also don't like it when contexts mix, e.g. friends from different circles hear conversations of mine from another circle. It results in me going into a shock state where I basically cannot talk. It happens so often that I just stopped using voice calls altogether, for the most part.
Oh dear GOD this is possibly one of the worst phrases to ever be uttered by a human being. I have no doubt that this single phrase has stolen countless entire days or weeks of many people's life.
Waiting for your call means not doing something that I can concentrate on. I'll even avoid conversations with others while waiting for your call because I don't want to have to take your call and break a meaningful conversation or make the other person feel like your call is worth more of my time than theirs. I have to stay chained to my phone, often chained to a secluded area where I know your call and our conversation won't disturb others around me. Waiting for your call means all other appointments and events between now and your call are hereby cancelled. I'm afraid to use the restroom while waiting for your call because I fear I'll miss your call while washing my hands. I'm afraid to eat or drink- what if I get the hiccups? What if my soda pop is especially carbonated and I end up burping all during our discussion? Why am I subjected to wait on you at all? No, my entire life stops because of your choice to use this inefficient, synchronous communication medium. My life is too short to wait for your call.
Text message is OK
I guess just some people don't have any issues with this, when I'm out and about I do see a lot of people on the phone all the time - usually through a bluetooh headset or other ear piece.
Wouldn't dream of it myself, but different strokes for different folks I guess!
My point is that I'm getting old. And so I've become more sympathetic to issues around spam calls to older people. Who may be hard of hearing, slow to understand, and gullible. I suffer from none of that so far. But I can fake it, following the Eddie script.
Basically, I give callers a chance to get that I'm old, and a little incoherent. If they back off, and apologize for bothering me, I thank them, and wish them the best of luck.
But if they push, knowing that I'm old and apparently vulnerable, I segue into full Eddie. With no regrets.
-- Scott Adams, the creator of Dilbert comic strip http://blog.dilbert.com/2010/09/03/phone/
I have a publicly listed number (in addition to a private one), and I have not received a spam call this year even once. When people call my phone, it is warranted.
Telephones remain the best way to contact emergency services, or settle things which you have no option to settle in person.
My first preference is a screenshare or video conference, so I can see what they see. Second is a phone call. Third is live chat like IRC or Slack and emails are a distant last place.
Life is too short for inane babbling. I can read faster than the average person can talk.
>Recently, when I was at mum’s alone, the house phone rang. I didn’t answer it. It rang again immediately. I didn’t answer it. It rang again immediately. I stood over it, willing it to stop, palms sweating. The stand-off was only broken when mother texted me to tell me to answer the phone. I hate telephones.
My fear of phone is more among the line of "I might miss something _very_ important if I don't answer immediately." Unsolicited phone calls, and sometimes non-important phone calls make me very annoyed/angry to the point that sometimes I started yelling at caller over the phone. I know I shouldn't.
However, at the same time, I'm also scared of answering the phone from known or unknown callers since I _don't know_ what they're calling me for. Even such call is expected, I always assume they're to tell me a bad news. I'm fully aware it's absurd, but it's uncontrollable.
More elsewhere in thread: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15678214
Also, text is not always a the best way of communicating- a lot of information is conveyed in someone’s voice which is often difficult to put on paper. It can also be way faster to speak to someone, particularly where a problem is a little complex and requires information to be exchanged between both parties multiple times.
I'm sure you didn't mean it that way, but it's still something we all need to have the discipline and good taste to avoid. If we have to we'll add it to https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html, but I'd rather avoid having a laundry list of verbotens.
The story also reminds me an old joke/anecdote. English gentlemen club, a gentleman naps in a chair near the fireplace. His boots are almost on fire. One man notices that, but the club etiquette disallows one to speak to the person he doesn’t know. After looking for pretty long he finally finds someone who at least knows the name of that gentleman and is able to speak to him. They wake him up and after a greeting the gentleman who knows him says: “Dear Sir, it is rainy weather today, and this fireplace is conveniently hot. By the way, I’m sad to tell you that your left boot is already burned down.”
I think that author puts too many gentle ceremony into just a short call.