Tweeting Made Easier
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More like 9% of posted tweets hit the character limit. I bet a much higher number hits above the character limit and then are trimmed down to fit. It doesn't sound like they consider that, and so it leads to it seeming like only a small number of tweets are limited by 140 characters when I'm sure a muuuch larger number of tweets could benefit from using "you" instead of "u" and such.
Which, to me, is the disappointing thing about the new character limit: it does nothing to address this emerging usage pattern, one might even say emerging form of communication, of the tweetstorm.
It seems pretty clear that tweetstorms enable a certain mode of marshaling thoughts and communicating them in an off-the-cuff way that blogging services never identified or understood. And yet Twitter's product org doesn’t seem to understand it either.
On the contrary, it's harder to navigate because it is intermingled with all sorts of boxes, whitespace, tags, icons and hidden menus. Everything is hair-triggered by a touch making the whole page unstable. Tweetstorms fork into secondary threads that are hard to follow, unlike HN or reddit, and use 3 screens for content that fits on half a screen.
https://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/7bekig/an_inte...
Thus we only get a single linear reading, and it wastes space by being presented as a floating "windows" above the main page.
Never mind that it is damn hard to see the full image, as no amount of clicking will actually make it fill the whole screen. Only bringing up the tweet "window" and then right clicking the image gets anywhere close.
Please see my responses inline
> can we make the page do this
yes np
> Does the flux capacitor have enough jiggawatts to make this work?
It does if we don't add anything new
> etc
After all, the start of Twitter was as a sms relay.
[1]: https://www.theverge.com/2017/9/10/16284526/twitter-experime...
"Donald Trump is the worst president ever this country has ever had. He stole the election with help from the Russians and is running this country into the ground."
But knowing that they only get 140 chars, they just decided to tweet "Trump sucks! :-( And he's in bed with the Russians"?
You don't have to hit that 140 char limit too many times until you start self-censoring yourself and write shorter messages.
Analytics
(maybe Child is right, it's not real time data harvest but slower gathering)
So no, I wouldn't trust the product managers to make intelligent decisions.
As for mobile I've actually not had any problem with the official iOS app after setting my account to display tweets chronologically
> This reflects the challenge of fitting a thought into a Tweet, often resulting in lots of time spent editing and even at times abandoning Tweets before sending.
The whole idea of extending the limit is based on what you describe, and this post shows that it had the desired effect, without introducing other bad things.
I'm not sure what your point is.
My point is I bet it is not 9% but closer to 99% of tweets that are negatively affected by 140 characters, and their way of measuring this is very flawed.
This number doesn't come from thin air, but was calculated based on the assumption of log-normal distribution if there weren't a limit: https://blog.twitter.com/engineering/en_us/topics/insights/2...
Am I the only one who doesn't get all the complaints about an expanded character limit?
Cause at the end of the day, many Twitter alternatives have far more than 140 characters available for posts. Mastodon has 500 by default, Gab has 300 characters and App.net allowed 256 characters per post before it closed down.
Absolutely none of those sites or services has been worse off thanks to the higher character limit, nor has it hurt the microblogging feel in general.
So why are people so stressed out over Twitter having a higher amount now?
> So why are people so stressed out over Twitter having a higher amount now?
The answer to your question is that they disagree with your preceding statement.
It’s certainly amusing to see people get angry that the experience is less stressful.
Just saying—it seems pretty obvious this is at least in part to increase attractiveness of actually using the platform. The content certainly ain’t gonna do the trick.
Or to put it another way, the last person to see how shitty it is is someone who already uses the site.
If you try even comparing German text with english or even japanese on twitter, you'll notice one big issue immediately: You can barely put 3 German words into a tweet, while Japanese can fit an entire novel in.
None of these are complicated. But they do require consistent application of effort until the problem is solved.
But I don't have an argument with people who want more. Having more characters will making tweeting easier and more practical.
It's really a decision for Twitter to make - do they prioritise aesthetics or utility?
And that's really my beef with this change. Twitter is seeking something easy to measure -- engagement of marginal writers -- but willing to sacrifice things that are harder to measure, like reader burden and tweet quality.
Worse, this still won't solve the "need to post more text" problem; you can find a zillion historical examples of people needing more than 280 characters. Thus the unique institution of a tweetstorm, where people had to distill their thinking into a linked set of short, punchy sentences. Thus the less appealing practice of posting an image of text. Thus people being inspired to write longer posts elsewhere and then respond with a well-phrased tweet and a link. I think Twitter would have been far better served to offer text attachments equivalent to image attachments, basically adding a real blogging feature to their existing microblogging platform.
That's exactly what I don't want. When I tweet, I have to take a minute to try to make my idea more concise. I make multiple passes over it and end trimming a lot of the unnecessary words.
In short, the author has to spend a bit more time, but saves a lot of time for every single person who has to read the tweet.
Leads 2 cryptic and weird abbrev.
Had they picked 100 characters when they first started, and then decided to increase that to 140, we'd be having this exact same conversation.
Maybe there's a sweet spot for the length of a tweet in any given language that we could find out by map-reducing some big data. But it's unlikely to coincide with the arbitrary limit imposed by SMS, so I'm happy to see Twitter experimenting with a different limit and carefully monitoring how it affects usage patterns.
No, it leads to long tweet storms.
In english, esp. with the emoji's and shortenings line "4 u" == "for you". Other languages rarely have this kind of option unfortunately.
On a certain level of abstraction, Twitter's achievement is an implicit contract between writer and reader that promises a certain standardized answer to the brevity vs depth question that greatly helps brevity to fulfill its potential of generating reach. Tweaking that contract, even by a mere 140 characters is huge (Twitter, of all entities, should know how important 140 characters can be).
I will have to get myself one of them new, fancy phones that can string together multiple SMSes now, if I want to keep up with the other kids!
I actually just saw a news article that a guy is saying "Twitter enabled larger character lengths... so nazis could spread their propoganda without as much split tweets." and I was like "Uhh.... okay there..."
We're living in a time where literally nobody can be satisfied with your business decisions and whatever that ONE person is, they'll have a "journalist" platform to spew their crazy ideas to millions of people.
Anyhow, have a great day!
How many of those have more than a trivial handful of users?
On the larger side, Facebook. You might not think of Facebook as an alternative, but they're in direct competition.
People will complain about pretty much every single change.
I think that's a bit hyperbolic.
But, that being said, it annoys me that they haven't even put enough effort into this change to update the documentation.
> Note that the current best definition of the algorithm for counting characters on Twitter is described in the page on the twitter-text Tweet parsing library. This documentation will be refreshed shortly to reflect the most recent changes.
https://developer.twitter.com/en/docs/basics/counting-charac...
In retail, Walmart, Target and most mainstream supermarkets have changed very little.
I think you mean to ask what tech company startup has ever remained relevant for so long without change, maybe?
Not to disagree with you, was more an interesting thing of note for me. I didn't really picture Walmart doing this sort of stuff outside a huge IBM or Oracle contract. Retailers of that scale have all sorts of potential improvements to make from the growth of technology from online to mobile to IoT (maybe) to big data analytics on purchase/loyalty schemes.
[1]: http://www.zdnet.com/article/walmart-relies-on-openstack/
This has been the argument from an insanely large number of people for years, and it frankly isn't difficult to test. Even in mediums that have no character limit, the vast majority of users do not send insanely long messages, and if there is any mechanism at all to encourage short messages with a fallback to longer ones (such as hiding content behind "read more", or making short messages much larger and more visible: Facebook now does both), then people are even more stingy. I just scrolled through my Facebook feed and paid attention and virtually all of the posts I saw were extremely short (I think even all less than 140 characters excepting two or three). It just seen someone incompetent that it took Twitter this long to figure this out: this isn't shocking data.
Or, my personal favorite: an embedded image of the Twitter compose dialog with the over-length tweet in it.
I like the circle. It puts less emphasis on number of characters you are using, so perhaps people won't be as motivated to use up all 280.
Level 1 users get 140 chars. Level 2 - 160 chars, 3...
Hmmmmmmm
Don't miss those:
https://blog.twitter.com/engineering/en_us/topics/insights/2...
https://blog.twitter.com/engineering/en_us/topics/insights/2...
https://medium.com/twitter-design-research/looking-after-num...
[1] https://twitter.com/FakeUnicode/status/928030981805588480 (used to be /[\u0000-\u10ff]/ during the test period)
In a small or even medium sized startup, this kind of decision will be a single product manager's decision and most likely be implemented in a day or two at most.
This kind of rigidness, bureaucracy and slowness is what makes big companies play catchup with small startups.And Twitter is at the top percentages of technologically competent, modern companies - imagine such a change in banks, or chain stores.
https://twitter.com/marek_gibney/status/928184393755250688
Maybe some chars or chars in links count for less then 1?
I might be wrong but I believe for a time (maybe still?) only the automatically shortened URL length (t.co URLs) counts
https://developer.twitter.com/en/docs/developer-utilities/co...
Other than that, all the character limit did was make reading and writing more difficult. That's the opposite goal of all language education and should be considered a borderline crime against humanity.
I realize that they want their "userbase" to grow, but users has never seemed the right way to measure twitter. Tons of people read tweets, etc on news sites without having an account.
Seems like there are a lot of other things they can do besides "making tweeting easier" to improve twitter.
The bigger reason why they want to be seen as improving and innovating is likely to keep shareholders happy. From a profit standpoint the company is a lot less solid, leaving ample reason to play with perception.
> Surely 280 chars is better to extract data for twitter to get revenus.
* Ban Rose McGowan. * Changed the T&Cs so that famous people can threaten to murder people.
Then -- and only then -- go into the details of the test and how this (probably) won't lead to loquacious tweeting etc etc. But my God. I had to read it three times to figure out what this post was supposed to be announcing.
Because it's not an announcement. The first sentence of the post links to the announcement: https://blog.twitter.com/official/en_us/topics/product/2017/...