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> Centro had applied for visas for three young employees

> He’d received a letter from USCIS saying it would reject his application unless Centro proved the position required someone with specialized skills

> The position — which consisted of writing algorithms and required knowledge of multiple programming languages as well as a solid understanding of relational data storage systems — wasn’t a borderline case.

I'm going to disagree here. It sounds to me like a textbook example of a company hiring a young, inexperienced worker because they're cheaper than experienced ones.

To those getting old in the valley, it seems this type of action is good news.

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Why shouldn't they do that?

If I have a bunch of people to keep them on track then hiring the cheapest workers who can do the job sounds like good business.

Because we would like our country to prefer our own citizens for such jobs, when possible.

Okay, hire 23 year old americans instead of 40 year old americans.

Still not seeing why it's wrong.

That would be the ideal case, but instead employers seek out H1-B workers.

Isn't that against the law (Age Discrimination in Employment Act of 1967) ?

To not hire someone because they are overqualified for the junior position I want ot fill?

"Because we would like our race to prefer its own members for such jobs, when possible."

How is that at all equivalent to what I said?

Changing your in-group from being based on race to being based on citizenship doesn't change the basic immorality of your position.

There is no immorality around my position. We exist as a country to promote the welfare of our own people. I should expect any country to place its own citizens' interests above those of foreign nations.

Moreover, countries are generally defined by their geographic locations. The actions of the people within them directly affect those around them. Local economies are affected by influxes of labor and depression of wages.

A person's race is simply an attribute they possess; attempting to compare this to a nationality makes little sense in this case. Someone's race does not intrinsically affect the economy around them, whereas the wage they are paid will.

"We must secure the existence of our people and a future for [our] children."

There, fixed that for you.

> A person's race is simply an attribute they possess; attempting to compare this to a nationality makes little sense in this case.

Sounds great! Allow anyone who wants to be American to be American.

What are you on about? Are you able to have a discussion about this, or are you simply looking to discount any counter-arguments with feeble attempts at dog whistling?

Fine, here's my position: Immigration restrictions are a version of "separate but equal" segregation that is somehow acceptable to talk about. Anyone who wants to do a job, can do it, and is willing to move to where the job is should be able to do it, regardless of where they were born or what papers they have.

That they can't because a bunch of people have collectively decided to pull the ladder up behind them is unjust, unfair and immoral.

What about the people who want to do the job, can do it, are willing to move to the job location, are American citizens, and are denied because they are being replaced by cheaper H1-B workers?

These H1-B workers are not entitled to jobs in America. It is something we offer to benefit both them and our country as a whole. It becomes detrimental when these visas are extended at the expense of the American citizen who is being displaced.

It's great for the foreign worker!

Privileging citizens of your own country is no different from privileging members of your own race.

This is trolling. Don't do this here, and please comment civilly and substantively instead.

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H1-B visas are for technical expertise that's not available in the United States. Each slot used for something other than that purpose makes it harder for a high-skill foreign worker to come to our country and contribute to our economy.

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