11-year-old girl inspired by Flint water crisis creates cheap kit to test lead
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Winning a science fair, great. Scholarship, great. Breathless articles about how this kid is changing the world? Probably setting them up for failure.
edit: valid point that testing for lead in water is a much lower threshold than testing for lead in paint. I remain skeptical of the news coverage.
Hmm. Of her device, the article says:
The result is Tethys, a sensor-based device designed to detect lead in water faster than other techniques currently on the market.
So have you considered the possibility that her device works differently (and perhaps better) than yours? You seem to be basically knocking her innovation, based on the fact that you once used a device that was "similar" in some way.
Usually what happens in these stories is that a kid makes something that is a pale imitation of current standards, and the parents use their industry connections to get a PR blast about their awesome kid, that gets the kid a leg up in college or getting a job, and the 'invention' is forgotten.
I think what more often happens is one of the parents are almost entirely responsible for the project, and the kid understands it well but had little to do with its creation/invention/discovery.
If not, then it's quite a coincidence that most of the kids in these stories just happen to have a parent who works in the same field their project was exploring.
Then the parents use their connections to generate news stories about it. It works because these are harmless fluff pieces, and anyone casting doubt on the work of a supposed child is viewed as a cynical curmudgeon, so they mostly go uncontested.
That gets them into a better college, then the project is forgotten and the kid does average from there on out.
I remember a particularly egregious example of this from a few years ago, something about a 9-year-old raising millions of dollars and digging thousands of water wells in Sub-Saharan Africa. Clearly this is BS, but what kind of monster would point out the absurdity of that?
These stories are pretty much always PR tactics by wealthy and/or connected parents to boost the profile of their kid.
[1]: http://www.businessinsider.com/the-17-year-old-that-yahoo-pa...
I don't understand, why can't the parents be helping and mentoring their kids, without necessarily doing the work for them?
I'm a son of two voice actors, and have done some voice acting myself as a 12-year-old. No, it wasn't a coincidence, but I also guarantee you that my parents didn't act on my behalf! I just, you know, learned from them.
They changed your world, because they got you into programming, and how cool and complicated and frustrating and wonderful that can be an activity.
So don't underestimate that aspect.
It's not? Great. Prove it. (This logic may not always hold, but surely it does for test-and-measurement devices)
Lead based paint has 5000 ppm (parts per million) of lead [1]
Water is considered unsafe at levels over over 15 ppb (parts per (billion) [2]
So her test kit is orders of magnitude more sensitive than a lead paint test kit, it's not even in the same ballpark. (if you're standing at home plate and her test kit is at first base, then the lead paint test kit would be over 5000 miles away)
[1] https://www.hud.gov/sites/documents/20264_LEADSPEAK.PDF
[2] https://www.cdc.gov/nceh/lead/tips/water.htm
* I couldn't find any specs on the sensitivity of her product, so I used the EPA's cutoff for unsafe lead levels
> 15 ppb
> if you're standing at home plate and her test kit is at first base, then the lead paint test kit would be over 5000 miles away
Is there some way you could put this in terms of libraries of congress? Maybe if we laid them end to end?
The LoC holds around 24M cataloged books [1] in its collections.
So the difference between a lead paint detection kit and this project is like the difference between the LoC and a single bookshelf of 72 books.
Or, if you prefer bigger numbers, the LoC has around 540 miles of shelf space [2], so if you laid out all the shelves end to end, it's like the difference between the shelves of the LoC versus shelves that span 180 million miles (greater than the distance between Mars and the Sun [3])
[1] https://www.loc.gov/about/general-information/
[2] https://www.nps.gov/nr/travel/wash/dc79.htm
[3] Note: if you try to verify this, use caution, you'll need some sort of heat shielding on the shelves nearest the sun.
Sure, but what's wrong with that? It's a little unrealistic to expect an 11 year old girl to productize an invention and bring it to market -- she'd have to team up with a schoolmate who is a budding patent attorney to have any hope of doing so without outside funding.
The nice thing about stories like this is that it helps gives inspiration to other young budding scientists.
Everything!
* You teach the child dishonesty (taking credit for someone elses work can terminate your academic career). * In this particular case, the child becomes the face of a marketing campaign (that's her actual contribution: selling a product). * Stories like this one put pressure on other children because their parents buy it hook line and sinker and want the same for their children.
Have you seen her presentation? Did she not credit her sources?
That's almost what happened with Theranos, but we forgot to forget the "invention".
The thing is, I wasn't making any assertions (or counter-assertions) about the original storyline. The person I was responding to did, in the form of, basically, "But there was already a similar-sounding product on the market, wasn't there? Therefore this kid couldn't possibly have come up with anything all that novel or interesting."
Which to my ears sounds like an unsupported inference.
There are test strips for lead testing water, but they're unreliable, unregulated, and not particularly trustworthy. The only great option right now is to call a lab who does water testing and work with them to send in a sample and have it tested via a method like induced plasma mass spectrometry.
Unfortunately many of these labs aren't interested in working with individuals who will only send one or two samples. They prefer to work with companies that will send them hundreds of thousands of samples. Even if you found one willing to work with you, their business processes involve fax machines, invoices, and talking to sales people on the phone.
(Related: That's why I started a company called http://www.testyourwaterforlead.com. We started a company and partnered with a lab, we let you order online, pay with a credit card, and we deal with the lab to help you avoid the hassle.)
Also, using city provided services can 6-8 weeks to get results. In an experiment I did with one city's free testing service, you had to call them to place your order. I got a voicemail. It took 4 months to get a call back.
We provide results in less than 2 weeks from when you ship your water sample off to the lab.
A cheaper kit would be nice if I wanted to take a bunch of samples to estimate how far from the tap the lead source was, though.
My nephew was just born with a trisomy similar to Down syndrome. If I can make his life better, I will count mine a success.
How does covering an 11-year-old's accomplishments set them up for failure?
Kids typically aren't known for the kind of emotional maturity and perspective necessary to handle such self-esteem implications.
does anyone believe these stories? they seem to be popping up more often.
But I’m willing to be more forgiving when it comes to younger people who may not have had the opportunity yet to learn the wisdom of years.
So, for example, if you are 50 or younger, I would be likely to be more forgiving of your response to the high schooler.
;)
wtf? learn and be curious. Have fun.
It can be upsetting to read these things if one feels that they'd have thrived in such a supportive environment, but instead only had indifferent teachers/a school with little budget/etc and had to do without such support. But it's not a reason to doubt the veracity of any of it, or hate on the kids; these kids are sharp and hardworking and doing their best, they just happen to also be much more privileged than average.
I had some old college-level comp sci books I was getting rid of (C++ by Stroustrup, etc.) and thought I would call a the magnet tech high school in the local inner city. The books were old editions, but why not ask? A teacher was indeed interested and even personally came to my home and picked up the books. He told me that if I had any old computer equipment - anything at all, even if it didn't boot - they could use that too. This is the tech magnet high school. What opportunity do those kids have? How much talent is lost? It's sickening.
It takes a child of remarkable interests and aptitude to win a national competition, of course. That's why you're reading about her specifically. It also takes unusually supportive parents. A sizable minority of American families with children could afford a home lab, equipment, and supplies if a child were so inclined and the parents encouraged it, but I suspect it's rarer for parents to OK funding it than other costly-but-more-common extracurricular activities or adult hobbies. Half of the battle is just having parents who understand you well enough to support what you want to do.
On the other hand, I think it requires natural and insatiable curiousity. For instance, myy kids, while quite smart, certainly don’t have the same thirst.
Although you can force and manipulate them into doing things (and, sometimes it makes sense to do so), at a certain point one realizes that motivation is very personal. That is, you can setup the environment to encourage interest. But, if there’s still no interest, even incidental, the outcomes won’t match the expectations.
For a silly example, imagine a parent with a passion for collecting dust. They try every trick to make their children also enjoy it. But, whatever they try, the kids would rather play baseball. What does the parent do? They can make everyone miserable by continuing to force dust into every aspect of life. Or, they can learn to enjoy baseball.
Fortunately, a very curious parent can easily learn to enjoy things that they normally wouldn’t enjoy.
Thanks!
--> "You have kids who don't do things like that? What planet are you from?"
It looks interesting, and the articles are accessible to an intelligent 11 year-old without being written to appeal to that age group. It's easy to forget how stifling it is to be young and have so much of what you're given to read tainted by pedagogical writing style.
Of course your reaction isn't unusual either. As people get older they learn not to talk about interests that are too specific until they know people well.
I won't be surprised if we see more of the indian child prodigies in coming years when bulk of indian immigrants kids hit that age.
http://www.extremetech.com/electronics/156361-teenage-girl-c...
Elite education (Ivies, Stanford, MIT, Chicago, Hopkins) historically was almost entirely the playground of the already rich. From the 70s onwards, it became a competitive game for the working upper middle class to send their children there. This elite stamp was necessary for their children to at least maintain working upper middle class status but ideally they'd collide with one of the already rich kinds and enter the wealth not labor class.
As income inequality has grown, admission to these institutions have grown even more valuable and parents have dedicated even more resources to giving their children a shot.
The result is that the children of well educated professionals end up in incredibly well resourced environments at home and in their schools. For context, the neighborhood this girl lives in has a median family income of 109,000 dollars, is 91% white and has only 2% of its population living below the poverty line.
To comment on your question, my favorite past time as a child was walking the aisles of a hardware store or Radio Shack hoping to find a tool or device I had never seen before. If the store had a parts catalog, I would take it home and read every page. The girl in the article is doing the same only in a different format.
It is bizarre that an activity one child finds so fascinating and gratifying is seen as painfully dull and pointless by another child.
edit: the video shows a bit more, the nanotubes appear to have been chemically treated with compounds that show an affinity for lead, not much information beyond that. This seems like quite a feat to accomplish at home. My experience in grad school with high school students working in our lab was that you needed access to the university facilities to do well at these competitions.
* Knows how to program Arduino
* knows how to write Android Apps
* has a working understanding of chemistry
* is able to infuse carbon nanotubes with chlorine and build a disposable sensor from this.
* understands marketing enough to promote her product via the app stores (there really is no other reason for using a smartphone instead of three colored LEDs to display results).
Is anyone really buying this?
Here's a more likely story:
* Parents see scientific curiosity in her daughter, as well as the will to help people.
* Parents see a fear of lead in water and therefore a market for testkits
* Parents see that testkits already on the market suffer from being unreliable in untrained hands/too difficult to use.
* Parents have the idea for a better, "digital testkit", but that turns out to be way more expensive than anything that is already on the market.
* Parents then spoonfeed the idea to her daughter. They do the work, she gets the credit (and probably thinks that she did most of the work).
* The media picks the story up because "awwwww ... smart kid", resulting in free marketing for what would otherwise be a totally overengineered/overpriced product.
Not exactly a science project, but my brother and I finally managed to construct a go-kart out of scrap. It would do about 40 mph, and was enormous fun.
http://news.mit.edu/2016/wireless-wearable-toxic-gas-detecto...
I don't get why anyone would want to do that.
Why they implemented it this way? Beats me.
I'm guessing lots of people have it as their default homepage from the old days so they keep it running.
Not sure how she made the carbon nanotube detector, but I think people figured out a way to do it with a microwave oven? Seems dangerous, but very cool.
Some of the nastiest bullying I've observed (and experienced) in my life has been from smart people towards even smarter people that they resented. I'm getting more than a whiff of that here.
I don't know if this girl is a Mozart, but there sure are a lot of angry Salieris in these parts.
https://youtu.be/7UR6epdce-o?t=40
Disposable cartridge consisting of briefly outlined carbon nanotube component...
How does a regular person make one of these nanotube cartirdges?
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