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> Do you care to give an example? Are they more or less well defined than find-the-cat-in-the-picture problem?

You mean like go over and feed the neighbor's cat while they're on vacation?

How about instead, being able to clean any arbitrary building?

Go isn't remotely similar to the real world. It's a board game. A challenging one, sure, and AlphaGo is quite a feat, but it's not exactly translatable to open ended tasks with variable environments and ill-specified rules (maybe the neighbor expects you to know to water the plants and feed the goldfish as well).

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At this point, there is no evidence that the limiting factor in these cases is AI/software.

The limiting factor with the neighbors cat is the robotics of having a robust body and arm attachment. We know that the scope of current AI can:

1) Identify a request to feed a cat

2) Identify the cat, cat food and cat's bowl from camera data

3) Navigate an open space like a house

Being able to clean an arbitrary building is also more the challenge of building the robot than the AI identifying garbage on a floor or how to sweep something.

It is not clear there are hard theoretical limits on an AI any more. There are economic limits based on the cost of a programmer's attention. There are lots of hardware limits (including processor power).

I remember seeing a demonstration by a deep learning guy of a commercially available robot cleaning a house under remote control. You are seriously underestimating the difficulty of developing software to solve these problems in an integrated way.

This. It is a lot like the business guy thinking it is trivial to program a 'SaaS business' because he has a high level idea in his mind. Like all things programming the devil is in the detail.

The hardware is certainly good enough to assist a person with a disability living in a ranch house with typical household tasks. As demonstrated by human in the loop operation.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eQckUlXPRVk

In my opinion the deepest and most difficult aspect of this example is the notion of 'clean' which will be different across contexts. Abstractions of this kind are not even close to understood in the human semantic system, and in fact are still minimally researched. (I expect much of the progress on this to come from robotics, in fact.)

We have have rockets that can go to orbit, and we have submersibles that can visit the ocean floor. That does not mean the rocket-submarine problem is solved, doing both together is not the same problem as doing both separately.

It also doesn't mean that a rocket-submarine is the way to go.

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