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Show HN: UnderExpress – A free, ready to use website UI kit for hustlers

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I am frankly baffled by the choice of "for hustlers"; my associations are "drug dealer", "scammer", "thief", "dishonest person" and so on (I'm not a native speaker, so I'm not sure how correct/common that is. Urbandictionary seems to point in the same direction[1]).

I can let that slide, but "handcrafted UI components" (as opposed to what?), and then a reference to my dreams followed by buzzwords.. I don't understand why you would use this angle for a technical audience - if you have 100+ good components, that is impressive in itself, show the code!

I completely understand that making a good website and slogans etc is very hard, so I am willing to spend some time to look at code. But you're making me jump through hoops, I'm not willing to do that even for a second. It leaves me wondering if signing up will even get me a repository/download link or is there some activation or profile bullshit? How many e-mails will I get, who do you share my address with, and so on.. If it's "absolutely free", why is it not using an established license?

1: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=hustler

I think hustler is to the startup CEO what ninja is to a developer. Leaves you wondering if the IT sector is run by high schoolers.

Isn't it just a generational thing? Ninjas hailing from the earlier martial arts craze, hustlers from later gangsta rap.

Both choices are equally infantile, so whatever =)

I think it comes from the context of growth hacking. Typically, growth hackers come in three forms: hackers, hipsters and hustlers.

> Typically, growth hackers come in three forms: hackers, hipsters and hustlers.

Well, today I learned!

I hope I will never have to work with you.

It's not because I know something that I agree with it..

Hey, thanks for you time. Hustler is often referred for Go-getter entrepreneurs and personalities. I completely understand that its real meaning is profane for most of the audiences as I can see from comments and feedback. I had already changed the communication on my webpage, will surely change it in my next ShowHN for a newer version of underexpress. This is mostly directed towards web-developers/small tech entrepreneurs/app makers, who want a landing page sort of website, so focus is more on giving them something to ship quickly and not showing code [which is also available once you download]. I am working on a established license, will soon update it, for the time being I had placed a link to license in the footer.

4 questions:

1. Why email-gate it? With so many UI kits out there, I won't give my email just to try another one.

2. What are you going to do with my email address, were I to sign up?

3. Can this be used via some kind of package manager? I would recommend this, as I wouldn't use anything that I have to manually download and install updates for.

4. I'm a little confused by the marketing — what makes this "for hustlers"?

Anyway, congrats on shipping!

Thanks for taking out time to review this, this means a lot for me. 1) There are many UI kits, but most of the good ones are paid or are only available in psd/sketch previews. This one is completely ready to use + free + fresh designs. 2) I am planning to create more resources to this in future, like more landing pages, more ui components, DIY website maker and I also want you to know that paid support is available [upsell], so email would be a point of contact. [I will soon build an unsubscribe option too] 3) Yes, this is on my plan, would update here as well when i do this. 4) From my understanding, hustler means the go-getter, this theme is made for people who want to get the work done quickly, the theme is in ready to deploy html mode and comes with 8 templates to help people focus on right problems.

Thanks again, this is my first ship on HN, and is working just great coz of people like you. Thank you :)

> [I will soon build an unsubscribe option too]

Just in case you might be unaware, I'm pretty sure that in many places (EU-wide, even?) an unsubscribe button is a requirement!

There doesn't appear to be a license detailed either on the website or in the download zip. With each page having "© 2017 | All rights reserved UnderExpress.com" or similar on, including those in the zip, it isn't clear what "free" means. E.g. am I free to use it, modify it, distribute it etc., and if so how and with what restrictions.

For something like this, particularly if you are wanting to make it popular so that you can make money from support, I would suggest MIT or similar license.

Thanks for this. Just added a license link to the footer, will update to MIT once I go through it. Did you like the kit?

Yes, it looks good.

Had a look at the license you've added, it's still to ambiguous to use commercially. For instance, it says "Do not distribute on your hosting/third-party service.". While I assume that means as a whole stand-alone kit, it technically covers use in websites (as parts of the code will be distributed to browsers as part of the design). This is why its important to use an established license, either an open source one like MIT or a proper commercial license. Without one or the other many companies (who are the ones with the deep pockets to pay for support) won't touch it.

Hey HN, presenting UnderExpress - A completely free UI Kit, based on latest bootstrap 4 for people who want to create beautiful websites quickly. It also comes with 8 ready-made templates. Please give your valuable feedback.

Please define "free".

Included a license, thanks for pointing out.

I concur with what other commenters have mentioned- without clear licensing indications, this is sort of useless.

Added right now. Thanks Mate. https://underexpress.com/welcome/license

Please check your preview component page. I cannot scroll it vertically. View from iphone , ios 11

Just made a tweak, would you mind rechecking and sharing feedback.

Ok, seems good now. Still not near my laptop, but i will try it later. Keep the good work

When I sign up for this and get the email with the download link I receive a underexpress.zip.pdf file which I am not able to open on a Mac. Is your software not available for Mac ?

I just checked and corrected it, would you mind downloading again through the same link please.

Works fine now, great job, looks awesome, thank you!

A real hustler, I guess would buy a quality kit from UI8 and wing it with that. Looking really pro while spending a few bucks.

I’m not sure what this is...

Hey, this is just the starting, I am confident enough that this will turn into a good quality kit through the feedback and iterations. Thanks for your time.

Gee everyone is a bit grumpy here today. I think it looks great! I'll probably be using a couple of these

Made my day :) thanks.

The website is a bit titchy on my Android phone (OnePlus 3T). Bit off-putting as I assume it's built in UnderExpress?

SAAS and Sass are way different.

Oh My Bad, corrected! Thanks for reporting.

Well not at the home page, near the bottom, at my end. Still "saas" there.

But the heck is a "hustler" in web technology? I remember that term only from hip-hop and GTA characters and a US porn mag. Coming up next, the UI kit for home-boys, pimps, playaz and pushas? Well next time I'm down in the hood, I'll be sure to remember UnderExpress =)

Thanks again. I used hustler for a person with get it done attitude. But as I figured out right now, its more of a profane word,so changing the communication to Go-Getters :D

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