Maybe I did make a small error which would clarify things. s/Most of the moral decisions western society/Most of the decisions that stand the test of hindsight as having a moral basis that societies have taken/

Whereas your position seems to be - things are a little bit shit anyway so what is the harm in making some more bad decisions.

> As I understand your comment, you're saying that there is no "morally justifiable" moral framework under which torture would be acceptable. Other people here obviously disagree, using e.g. the trolley problem as an example scenario - would you torture 1 person to save X people from death? This is a legitimate moral question, and I don't think it's anywhere near "decided" at this point.

This is not a relevant question. There is a simple question - are you prepared to hurt the person tied down in front of you in cold blood?