And yet all the third world people flock here by the millions.
I mean, do you guys ever actually follow the end result of your logic? If the USA was as tyrannical as you think, you'd have to be completely insane to stay. Why do you have a death wish? GET OUT! RUN! They're coming for you! Before they read your e-mails and put your family in jail!
Oh wait, that's insane. If the USA was as bad as you guys here think, then you wouldn't be so unabashedly criticizing the state. You'd be in jail, or terrified to speak up. Take a trip to China and see how far criticism of the state gets you.
And further, are you REALLY suggesting that EVERY immigrant to the USA is too stupid or too uninformed to understand the state of our government?
Has nobody here ever talked to someone who lived under a real tyrannical state? Or even... God forbid... googled for a video of an interview with one?
Don't worry though. I'm sure this comment will be downvoted into oblivion to protect people's absurd notion that they're under constant threat. It's okay to believe the sky is falling, but it's not okay to suggest people's wild speculation and phobia might be just that... an irrational phobia. In four years, if Trump is voted out of the office, people will entirely forget all their panic and doom-and-gloom and move on to the next moral outrage. They won't sit there and think "Hmm, maybe I was wrong." They'll just move on to the next threat. They're addicted to fear.
I wanted to leave the US during the Bush administration. It’s not easy to do. I would have to gain work in a foreign land in which I possessed valued trade skills, adapt to cultural changes, and build a new network in place of existing ties both socially and professionally. I might have give up my pets, acquire new furniture and amenities, and restart my career from a lower tier. I might have to consider regions with harsher climates than I would prefer. I might not be able to relocate with my spouse if she doesn’t want to, or can’t, do the same.
In addition to all of this, there are actually only a handful of countries that would appeal to me (in terms of government and rights afforded to the people). I certainly wouldn't endure all of the above for a system that I found equally corrupt or with fewer protections for its citizens.
> Don't worry though. I'm sure this comment will be downvoted into oblivion to protect people's absurd notion that they're under constant threat.
Condescension does not bolster your arguments.
Isn't the alternative a totalitarian banana republic in your view? Shouldn't these be minor inconveniences in comparison? Syrian refugees have similar concerns when they choose to leave after all, yet they seem to wish to leave and the American left chooses to stay. What is different if not the conditions of the country?
It depends on your starting point. If you go back to pre-cold war, they certainly are not. If you go back to the turn of the century, we have even fewer rights. If you go back to the early 1800s, we have even fewer.
>Has nobody here ever talked to someone who lived under a real tyrannical state? Or even... God forbid... googled for a video of an interview with one?
I think that's a pretty low bar.
Is that counting only lawful immigration and how many of those where undocumented workers moving back and how many are counted that were legally forced to return to their country?
It's actually not easy to get permanent resident visas in Mexico, which makes me think there is something amiss. They also really, really don't like immigration violations in Mexico.
I'd be very interested in seeing the sources for this statistic.
http://www.pewhispanic.org/2015/11/19/more-mexicans-leaving-...
Apparently it's still happening:
https://www.pri.org/stories/2017-01-18/more-mexicans-are-cro...
Undocumented workers going home or being forced to go home really isn't indicative of any great trend. When American citizens are moving to Mexico at a greater rate than those coming here, that'd be significant.
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/22/world/americas/for-migrant...
...leading to a historic milestone: more Americans have been added to the population of Mexico over the past few years than Mexicans have been added to the population of the United States, according to government data in both nations.
The numbers in the article don't line up, or it isn't clear.
Americans now make up more than three-quarters of Mexico’s roughly one million documented foreigners
Indicates ~750K, then goes on to state
the number of Americans legally living and working in Mexico grew to more than 70,000 in 2012
I'm also not sure how 750,000 'grew to more than 70,000.'
Let's be honest, really. America has lots of faults but people are still dying to get here and we absolutely don't have a problem getting more people to move here or with retaining local talent. There are about 12,000,000 documented Mexicans living or working in the US.
There are two reasons that occurred. First, the US saw an extremely large immigration wave [1] from Mexico over three decades. The US effectively absorbed 10% of Mexico's entire population. Such vast immigration waves never happen without an eventual return flow. Second, combined with an improved Mexico economy, family reunification became a substantial consideration for immigrants. [2]
[1] https://i.imgur.com/tzDCkOU.png
[2] http://www.pewhispanic.org/2015/11/19/more-mexicans-leaving-...
The inflow counts included only adult Mexican nationals known to enter (e.g. legally or known illegal entrants). The outflow counts included everyone: adults, children, and non-Mexican nationals crossing the border southbound (even if they were from Central or South America), plus some US-born children who are likely to return).
US illegal population is estimated to be lower now than in 2007. But, we don't exactly have specific numbers for all of these border crossings. There was net migration in legal immigration from Mexico to the US from 2010-2014 but amounted to less than 4,000 people.
Source?
". There was net migration in legal immigration from Mexico to the US from 2010-2014 but amounted to less than 4,000 people."
Source? And methodology?
About 13% of the world's adults -- or about 630 million people -- say they would like to leave their country and move somewhere else permanently. For roughly 138 million people, that somewhere else would be the U.S. -- the No. 1 desired destination for potential migrants.
The U.K. is a distant second at ~40M.[1]
[1]http://news.gallup.com/poll/161435/100-million-worldwide-dre...
Who would have thought.
78% of people who want to move, want to move somewhere other than the USA.
Australia has a population of 24.6 million and that table[1] says 26 million people want to move there. That's 105%.
Where as the USA has a population of 325 million but only 138 million want to move there. That's only 42%.
If Australia had the population of the USA the number should be 341 million, all else being equal.
1. http://news.gallup.com/poll/161435/100-million-worldwide-dre...