Tab Candy: Mozilla Labs is making Firefox tabs sweet
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People don't need a filing cabinet for something that should be ephemeral and self-limiting. When your desk gets buried under a skin of receipts, junk mail envelopes, and water-ringed Economists from last May, the only proper organizational tool is a trash can. Tabs are just a modern incarnation of the same problem.
Now, Tab Candy doesn't do that, but I think it's at least a step in the right direction of trying to address the cases that are somewhere between "garbage collect the tab" and "immediately use the tab".
Being able to separate them out from each other would be fantastic. Naming them is less necessary.
Personally, I'd say this thing fits my browsing habits perfectly. It's been obvious to me that things would go in this direction since I started using Tree Style Tabs.
To me Tab Candy is the extra work that made me avoid bookmarks.
Concerning not organizing permanent bookmarks, tabs can be as permanent as you want them to be in any browser with a "save tabs on exit" or similar option. But they're also much easier to organize. Just move windows and tabs about. Of course, they do take up memory, but if I had something like tab candy with an option to individually mark tabs as not needing to be kept loaded, that would almost certainly totally replace my use of bookmarks.
Will power? Priorities?
Reducing friction or eliminating annoyances is not always a good thing, and may not accomplish what you want. Worse, it may give you undesirable side-effects.
For example, people complain about freeway traffic, how it takes too long to drive from your home at X to shopping at Y. So city planners go off and widen existing freeways, and maybe build new ones. For a while things are great; little traffic, and it's easy to get around.
Before too long, though, you find that traffic is no better than it was before. But there's lots of new housing construction in your area. Seems the promise of easy access encouraged people to keep living far out from the city. You still have bad traffic, plus more people, and worse air quality.
Had there been no attempt to reduce the friction of traffic there would likely be incentives to drive less often and fewer miles. There would be more opportunity for stores opening up closer to where you live; more locally businesses would thrive.
Likewise, maybe the annoyance of managing large numbers of tabs is a good thing. It's a reminder that maybe you're getting carried away and need to adjust your focus.
(Raise your hand if you've ever been silently relieved when a tab-heavy browser crashed and you couldn't recover them.)
Likewise, maybe the annoyance of managing large numbers of tabs is a good thing. It's a reminder that maybe you're getting carried away and need to adjust your focus.
What does these three(will power, priorities, focus) help you with information organization? With this thing i actually can, for example, map a plan of a learning trial and resources therefor into a priotized tree structure. Thats to nice. Any external management of that gets obsolete.
A step further this could be the exobrain on steroids. Other people are using personal wikis for such things, for example. Here you get graphs(later probably even mindmaps) with screencaps for free (while wiki users need tools for graphing into images or the like). Also, writing little conclusions on nodes you've covered aren't impossible.
Don't think about the possible problems, think about the possibilities and advantages. With your points(will power, priorities, focus) you can then easiliý archieve the latter two.
Just to admit, I've thought about something similiar for Google Chrome for a while now. My thougts just weren't gone so far, until now. But basically I was thinking and sketching in the same direction. :)
"What does these three(will power, priorities, focus) help you with information organization?"
Maybe the things being organized aren't the things you should be focusing on. Perhaps your focus should be elsewhere, your priorities different.
If not, then yes, better tools for organization are a win. I'm just glad there is friction to doing certain things that are often just not that important, like endless Web surfing.
Exercise restraint, guys. Tab grouping is the classic engineer's solution to a non-problem.
People's browsing habits differ. Some of us do use multiple windows and tabs so we can switch our focus away from a task and return to it later. Mozilla's user studies and large-scale data mining through Test Pilot bear this out, e.g. http://surfmind.com/muzings/?p=505 - among other things, that analysis of several thousand Firefox users found that tab opening/closing behavior among the participants followed a bimodal distribution.
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It would be horrible to manage without any grouping mechanism and hierarchical organisation. Thanks Tab Kit.
Indeed I do. One of these days I'll get around to adding an extension that allows me to queue links without opening them in tabs.
Anyway, I don't understand why Tab Candy is an improvement over simple window management. Since the introduction of tabs, I've grouped tabs by purpose into separate windows, and rather assumed that's how everyone did it. Especially now that you can easily drag tabs from one browser window to another, it's effortless. No new GUI to learn, to expensive extension to install.
I think Tab Candy can combine these two concepts somewhat effectively, however, Mozilla should focus on speed, reliability, and accessibility. It's much more difficult to appease the average browser with hard facts compared to pretty videos and features, I suppose.
Thats just not what Aza Raskin is working on.. And no, I'm not one of the guys who has switched to chrome for performnace.. Damn I'am.
You'll be happy to know that our Firefox 4 Vision document contains several pages of plans for speed and stability and usability, and just one line about Tab Candy:
http://blog.mozilla.com/blog/2010/05/10/firefox-4-vision-fas...
Indeed I do. One of these days I'll get around to adding an extension that allows me to queue links without opening them in tabs.
If you don't know any, i like Read it Later(http://readitlaterlist.com/). Anything better out there?
Read it Later looks perfect; thanks for the tip. Last I bothered to look, I couldn't find a thing.
Emphasis mine.
nix has a million different options and no clear winner. OSX and Win have static ones that can't really be customized and are only upgraded at a glacially slow pace compared to browser development.
Its also much more specialized for the type of stuff people do on the internet.
Try it out and see. I've been using the internal Tab Candy alphas for a while now (I am a Mozilla employee) and it really adds some useful new possibilities.
In fact, I would love to see an operating system with a window manager that had more of Tab Candy's features. (GNOME hacker Jeff Waugh agrees: http://twitter.com/jdub/status/19052579869)
Damn. Thats so awesome to read.
Thank you.
The differences are that all applications (web pages) on this desktop are more or less the same size ("document" shaped) and we tend to have a ton more of them open at once then traditional desktop applications. And they are usually text-searchable.
I've got mixed feelings about this. I've always thought tabs were cumbersome and didn't scale well but I don't really want to have to manually sort all of my tabs and push things around with the mouse, either.
Plus I'm using chrome but that's for other reasons.
Lol. I just imagined Chrome OS delivering all the niceness, smashing all other OS'es.
Sure, the contextual search (or whatever it was) seemed cool but elementary tasks like organizing my tabs/windows should be simple. Soon I'll have to switch my mental mode just to get my head to this fancy tab-organize mode.
One nice thing about Tab Candy is that it's invisible until you choose to use it. You can use tabs and windows just like you always have, and nothing will change.
Watch ten different people use web browsers, and you'll see they have very different usage styles. Tab Candy addresses some problems experienced by many but not all users, and does it without impacting the others. (You could say the same about virtual desktops in X11 or Spaces in Mac OS X.)
It doesn't just impact bewildered users that never asked for it and devs/users of existing extensions that are now sidelined -- it completely fucks your upstream development cycle, since changes to the chrome are lumped in with and gated by rendering engine changes.
It's a fundamental mistake that y'all and many others in the industry have been making for years. Microsoft stopped bundling some of their apps with Win7 for this reason, and Google has finally stopped bundling core user apps with their most recent Android release so that users have any hope of getting current versions.
Anyway, this looks very cool. I do have a slight concern that I'd want to put things in these folders other than webpages, which I suppose means that I want the facility to be 'bigger' than the browser, but it just isn't comparable to using the existing features of a window manager as a lot of people seem to be claiming. Perhaps if I want to take notes and add them to a group, I need to put those notes in the cloud.
Also, could this be the start of Mozilla Firefox OS?
This way I could close all pages of a particular site at once and clean up the Bazillion tabs I have open in my browser right now.
In my firefox days I have tried just about every tab-addon there is, from coloring (with or without aging), over multi-row, to tree-sidebar. None of them did improve the situation enough. In summary the multi-row variant helped the most, but the tab-ordering would still get messed up constantly with unrelated tabs slipping into places where they don't belong (the dreaded "spontaneous google search").
And one thing is for sure, the firefox default of scroll-arrows on the tab bar is probably the worst from all worlds. The chrome-way of squeezing it all into whatever width available beats that hands down, but still leaves a lot to be desired.
So, as someone who routinely has 30+ Tabs open in supposedly distinct groups ("Work", "Procrastination", "Research" etc.) - this looks very promising to me.
Ideally I'd want this in a slideout side-panel. And in chrome, ofcourse. ;-)
:group Work - current tab into the Work group
:switch Todo - switch to the Todo group
etc
The features look great. But after using Vimperator, I prefer keyboard alternatives to the drag-and-drop stuff shown.
[1] - http://vimperator.org
I am NOT interested in them looking into what pages I go to or my searches so they can direct ads or price search results. Data sharing should only be to people I know AND approve in advance.
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/4845/ Disclaimer: I'm the author of f.e.t.
Tree style tabs! Organize your tabs into a tree! I've been using the addon for a while (previously used the multi-row feature of tab mix plus), and it is awesome. They should standardize on this instead of more useless eye candy.
https://chrome.google.com/extensions/detail/edooipcjkkbjmnog...
It's a little bit more lightweight (not in respect to memory usage maybe).
The No More Tabs extension limits the number of tabs you can have, and will close an old tab if you open a new one over that limit.
sticking with tabgroups manager. it's a firefox addon which does the same thing but better. groups aren't hidden, they are tabs on a bar above the normal tab bar.
you can auto name group tabs after selected tabs title by double clicking it. you can switch groups in 1 click by selecting the group tab.
tab candy should go in that direction
(In Chrome you can drag and drop tabs into distinct windows easily. It's actually easier to do this in Chrome than in Tab Candy.)
The whole point of tab candy is to fix this deficiency.
You can't drag a tab into window without tabs (only 1 tab hence no tab area). You also cannot drag a window (only 1 tab) into another window.
FF does have some subset of Chrome's functionality, but you cannot use it like Tab Candy to easily organize sets of tabs. Which is the whole point of the post.
Tab Candy seems awesome to me for power browsing (20+ tabs), as long as there are intuitive keyboard shortcuts.
Firefox already does this.