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>And I feel lately that they are now trying to build a case for some sort of conflict, presumably cold, against Russia.

Russia invaded Ukraine & Crimea, ended up downing a civilian airliner killing them all.

Slaughtered hospital workers in Syria after following victims of regime chemical weapons attack to the facilities.

Has been funneling heavy weapons like T90 tanks into sub-state militias, including the designated terrorist org Hezbollah.

Is currently attacking people who have documented all of this, regardless of what nation they live in. Has attempted to get Canada to take down and expose citizens using their services to publicize Russia's actions.

What will it take to get you to understand Russia is at war with the world? Does another civilian airliner need to be downed? Should another analyst/journalist get kidnapped and brought into Russia to be disappeared?

What is your threshold of acknowledgement here?

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Minus the taking of land, Crimea by Russia, and the civilian abduction (US just more secretive)same can be said for US actions over the past decades.

Does that mean USA is war with the world (under trump now, yes, but I am implying before that)?

How many other nations elections has USA undermined, accidental civilian casualties(including downing of a civilian plane) and funding to terrorists (directly funding Taliban and supporting terrorist groups.. not to forget Saudi Arabia)

As a non American, looking from the outside, it's hypocrisy that the US is offended someone else doing what they have been doing... Just Russia got caught and is being called out.

But I can understand the outrage, and in no way condoning Russia's actions... They have taken it to publicized extremes stoking aggressive behaviour to other nations and particularly the US

>same can be said for US actions over the past decades

Is this really the best response? A deflection? Do you know how tiring it gets? How little it advances discussion?

My peers are being hunted for documenting war crimes but OK US did similar stuff some decades ago so I guess the topic is resolved for good. Wrapped up nicely with a bow for eternity.

My comment was in response to specifically your questioning implying it was very obvious Russia is at war with the entire world for said reasons.

I pointed out USA has done similar things Russia has done/being accused of (And it's not just decades ago, funding of terrorists, undermining regimes is still ongoing today. By USA Russia and many other nations).

At the same time, I am NOT saying tit for tat means problem resolved... You are taking it to extremes implying something I did not say.

Your comment doesn't advance the discussion either if u want to be a stickler with the "isn't it obvious, what else do you need" type of response I was replying to when: no it isn't obvious, and your statements are not clear indicator of that as much can be said about other nations including USA. Not that actions balance each other out so nothing to worry about

> Is this really the best response? A deflection? Do you know how tiring it gets? How little it advances discussion?

What you posted is also a deflection. You are turning false equivalency into a logical fallacy here.

How about you address the similarities instead of dismissing uncomfortable truths about your own country while simultaneously attacking others.

It is the worst type of jingoism.

>How about you address the similarities

Because it diverts the topic. It is literally introducing the fallacy seen in "And you are lynching Negroes[1]" to avoid the subject. Because of people like you we cannot discuss being victimized today because of deeds in the past made by unrelated entities.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/And_you_are_lynching_Negroes

> Because of people like you we cannot discuss being victimized today because of deeds in the past made by unrelated entities.

And because of people like you we will continue to make the same mistakes over and over again because analysis of past injustices has become taboo, and identification of irony and hypocrisy in the actions of nations has become too uncomfortable for you to handle, because you still buy into the good guys versus bad guys cartoon rhetoric so prevalent in US propaganda that even grown fucking adults buy into.

See, I can make dumb comments too.

You say these things like the US isn't doing the same things;

> Russia invaded Ukraine & Crimea, ended up downing a civilian airliner killing them all.

The US invaded Afghanistan and Iraq, pretty much paved the way for the rise of ISIS.

> Slaughtered hospital workers in Syria after following victims of regime chemical weapons attack to the facilities.

The US bombed a civilian hospital in Syria, killed about 30 people.

> Has been funneling heavy weapons like T90 tanks into sub-state militias, including the designated terrorist org Hezbollah.

The US has been selling weapons to some lovely places. The terrorist factory of Saudi Arabia for one.

> What will it take to get you to understand Russia is at war with the world?

What will it take to get you to understand that the US is the new Empire, at war with the world?

> Does another civilian airliner need to be downed? Should another analyst/journalist get kidnapped and brought into Russia to be disappeared?

Does another hospital need to be bombed by US airstrikes? Do some more journalists and civilians need to be murdered by some dumb-ass American shitheels in a gunship that thinks its funny to do what they did?

Dude the lack of self-awareness in your post is astounding. People in glass houses and all that jazz.

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