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> there wouldn't be much left of Europe

Only if you believe "Europe" = "nation states" or an EU super state.

Independence for smaller states - ie, taking back control and power from a greater/globalist state - would, if anything, make Europe (people and culture) more European again.

> They are using rubber bullets to disperse the crowds, that's not exactly a crime against humanity as some seem to suggest here.

So people are wrong to suggest the maiming and potential killing of civilians by police is a crime against humanity, but it's reasonable for you to claim the police are "awesome" based on a couple of them sharing a joke with you once, when you were high?

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> Only if you believe "Europe" = "nation states" or an EU super state.

Europe, as we know it, is a set of "large" nation-states that made enormous contributions to humankind. These contributions wouldn't have been possible if Europe was a number of small fragmented states with their own languages and customs.

> maiming and potential killing of civilians by police

How do you equal shooting rubber bullets to "potential killing of civilians"? Stop exaggerating the story to fit your personal views.

> Europe, as we know it, is a set of "large" nation-states that made enormous contributions to humankind. These contributions wouldn't have been possible if Europe was a number of small fragmented states with their own languages and customs.

Even if that were true - and I don't see any evidence from you - how does it back up your claim that there wouldn't be much left of Europe if Europeans had more control over their own local affairs?

> How do you equal shooting rubber bullets to "potential killing of civilians"?

Because I know what rubber bullets are, and what they can do. Whereas you appear to have no idea.

> Even if that were true - and I don't see any evidence from you.

History is not your strong side then, I guess.

> Because I know what rubber bullets are, and what they can do. Whereas you appear to have no idea.

Rubber bullets are nonlethal and not meant to cause serious injuries or death unless of course misused at very close range. Participating in an illegal uprising isn't going to be consequence-free.

Illegal uprising ? Come on, it's not like it's about half a dozen colonels ordering troops to seize the parliament. It's ten of thousands civilians putting papers in ballots.

With very likely negative consequences. The vote is unconstitutional and intended to disturb the Spanish state. Puigdemonte is a populist playing with the people of Catalonia, as he is well-aware of the impossibility of this project, but hey it put him in charge. Remember also he is leading a minority government.

I think a lot of people here ignore the seriousness of the matter and have very naive views on separatists.

That said, the unemployed youth of Catalonia (37%) probably find the whole thing very attractive.

His comments are so flawed and extreme I decided to give him the benefit of the doubt and assume he's merely trolling.

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