Russian researchers expose U.S. spying program (2015)
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So it wasn't the spying that hurt the relations, it was Snowden. Okay. I'll stop reading now. This news source just discredited itself.
Realistically though, authoritarian power brokers.
The line has to be drawn somewhere. The UN has proven to be quite useless.
Edit - Link Added: http://www.independent.ie/world-news/china-endorses-myanmars...
It can be from defense to big attack.
Only the big one can really have the budget to do so.
>> Peter Swire, one of five members of U.S. President Barack Obama’s Review Group on Intelligence and Communications Technology, said the Kaspersky report showed that it is essential for the country to consider the possible impact on trade and diplomatic relations before deciding to use its knowledge of software flaws for intelligence gathering.
“There can be serious negative effects on other U.S. interests,” Swire said.
>Snowden’s revelations have hurt the United States’ relations with some allies and slowed the sales of U.S. technology products abroad.
it's no accident and it puts unnecessary emphasis on the mensager.
obviously it can be parsed to the correct meaning. but the subjective one should be considered too.
That has definitely got to count for something.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_invasion_of_Pana...
Its just that, the USA has its hand in the pie now. And that is the true reason for that heinous war.
Really, this is a fundamental issue to understand. USA is not a peace-bringing nation - it is a war-projection nation. In the same way that one can use fire to fight fires, the USA thinks its war-making is actually bringing peace to the world.
I know - it doesn't make any sense. But, the military-industrial complex which runs the USA doesn't care if you think it makes sense. It only cares about dropping bombs, clearing the shelves of inventory with short half lives, and replacing it with new inventory.
EDIT: the claim that USA's wars are "just, righteous wars" is highly specious and, frankly, risible. The USA has toppled more democratically elected officials than any other nation in the history of mankind. I urge you to consider the hubris of the statement: "the USA only fights good wars", because there is fiction, and there is fact.
The fact is, a lot of people in democratic societies around the world feel that the USA hasn't fought a good war since WW2, and in fact that the opposite is true: the USA fights to put its own dictators into power. Even a casual investigation of this fact yields more than enough evidence to support the statement: the USA is up to no good.
1. Preventing the spread of Soviet backed Authoritarian Communism.
2. Removing brutal dictators from power.
Both noble and justifiable goals.
I'm not going to judge the people that did it, bceause it was another time, but I hope the US public opinion has evolved so that some of US antics in that period could not happen now.
e.g.: involvement in the fall of Mossadegh, support to the Pinochet regime, support to the Shaddam regime, including the sale of chemical weapons during the Iran-Irak war, support to the contras...
Syria?
Iraq?
Afghanistan?
Cambodia?
Pakistan?
Yemen?
Nigeria?
Germany
South Korea
Every Western nation supported by the Marshall plan
You're right, but it goes both ways and not 100% one way or the other
But what it is doing today is a terrible, atrocious tragedy, and its far beyond the point where the means justify the ends.
I mean that as someone who follows closely the cost of American warfare, and as someone who refuses to ignore the human tragedy it is bringing to current generations of people who really, really do not deserve to have had their infrastructure utterly destroyed, their lives ruined, their children left in rubble, on a daily basis, because some smart American decided it had to be so.
The US has had north of 100k troops in Iraq for 7 years, then about 50k for 3 more years.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_War_troop_surge_of_2007#/...
Fuck, its 2017, are we really still explaining this? Of course we are. We must.
Just look at Germany, Japan, Korea, Iraq, ...
Tribalism, to feudalism, and any point in between we see the same situations play out. Look at all the empires over the ages. We're all just incrementally advancing the same playbook each time.
I don't have any suggestion as to how this cycle would ever be changed. The only thing that differs is the move makers. The moves all look pretty similar. One nation crumbles, proffers change, wants to avoid repeating/continuing discovered atrocities, another nation/empire is ready to take it's place.
We can call out the atrocities globally as we see them. Try to fight each individual fire. There's no pretending that every nation isn't guilty of trying to advance it's position by any means necessary. Offering the humanitarian excuse as a "pay no attention to the man behind the curtain" deal is universal. Doing what you can to avoid the aforementioned "calling out".
You mean in order to safeguard the global peace. Peaceful nations around the world depend on US support to ensure their defense from hostile nations like Russia
I think you might have a different definition of "peace" than many people because we haven't had "world peace" for 50 years at all. Just look at how many conflicts are currently ongoing in the world (and how many of those are caused by US meddling...)
By 'world' you mean Mars, right?
I have no idea why people need to set up good/bad dualities. Whatever bad things the US has done, none of them make Russian any better.
The USA has invaded, and destroyed, far, far more territory, resulting in 100x more human suffering and misery.
Its not a duality - but if you want to be honest about the hostile intentions of nations, you have to look at the most hostile state there is: the USA. The stats are not pretty.
For a split second I did believed you, that Russia haven't invaded Ukraine, it merely 'protected it's local territory'.
What part of "Iraq is essential to the sovereign protection of the borders of the USA" do you .. not understand?
I'm not trying to justify Russia's military action in Ukraine - living quite close to this action, it horrified me. But, on the other hand, I'm not ever going to be compelled to agree with someone who says that the mass destruction of Libya, Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Yemen .. and so on .. is vital to the defence of the USA. Because, I know where those places are on a map, and they are nowhere near the USA ...
What are you talking about? Iraq was not mentioned in the original comment.
Also, this "The USA has invaded, and destroyed, far, far more territory, resulting in 100x more human suffering and misery." is grossly untrue. Neither country is free of fault here, but for every Afghanistan, or Iraq, there is a North Korea or East Germany.
America, however, projects power around the globe - not for its own protection of sovereign assets, and certainly not as a consequence of needing to defend its sovereign border. Rather, American power projection is done in order to interfere with nations that the USA has decided, for some other reason, mostly psychology, is its enemy.
>"The USA has invaded, and destroyed, far, far more territory, resulting in 100x more human suffering and misery." is grossly untrue.
Sorry, but a lot of the world see it as being very, very true.
Perhaps you should pay more attention to the refugee children walking across Europe to get away from American wars.
But I find the argument that "USA is not bad, because Russia did bad" to be highly specious.
Russia, and the Russians in the region that was invaded, can justify its mis-deeds as protection of its sovereignty.
America, and thus Americans, cannot.
There were no Americans to protect in Iraq. In Afghanistan. In Syria, Yemen, Libya.
Seriously, Americans are liable for some deep, deep shit. Russians, less so.
And there was no Russians to protect in Crimea, so stop whitewashing Kremlin lies.
And I completely deny that Russia has the right to speak for ethnic Russians of other nationalities, and to invade their countries on their behalf.
Prior to Russo-Turkish war Crimea was a part of the Ottoman Empire, after Russia won that war it conquered Crimea and absorbed it into the fold in 1783. Crimea has not been a traditional part of the Ukraine since before the existence of the United States of America.
Failure to grasp reality does not change the fact that a Crimea filled with ethnic Russians, host to Russia's Black Sea Fleet, in a city founded over 250 years ago by Russia, which holds extreme strategic importance to the nation could never be allowed to fall under the sphere of NATO.
Without Crimea Russia won't have access to Black Sea? Or it will lose her borders?
Please clarify.
Also even it had Crimea for thousand years before, it still won't matter - they've signed numerous international agreement s which stated that Crimea belongs to Ukraine.
But the USA has erred by a factor of 500x the sins of Russia, yo. If you can't understand that, I've got 1000 kilometres worth of walking refugee children to show you ..
The one doing all the killing and murdering of innocent civilians, now, is America and its allies, the so-called "Coalition", who have decided that only they have the right to start world war three. And, so they did.
"Whataboutism" = we are talking about the situation where America has invaded and destroyed countless sovereign nations over the last 4 decades, willingly and with utter contempt for international law. Russia defended its territorial integrity, and thus sovereignty, during the Crimea crisis - and little else.
America, however, has done nothing in defence of its sovereignty, and everything in attack of other sovereigns. It is a wholesale exporter of death, destruction, and injustice in the world, and .. once again .. I must remind my American readers that the facts on the ground are not pretty. America's statistics are not great. It is a dire, evil situation, and the continued 'whataboutism' from Americans (coz: "Soviet Russia") is precisely one of the ways this evil persists.
American citizens - Australian, Canadian, British and Kiwi too - MUST start accepting responsibility for the crimes of their states. The war is coming to you, whether you like it or not, eventually.
They would definitely have done this, if they could. At the expense of social programs, schools and healthcare, like they always do [1]. They just don't have $Trillions, only $Billions. A big chunk of which goes into botnets, orchestrated propaganda and cyber-sabotage.
[1] https://themoscowtimes.com/news/russia-to-increase-military-...
[0]: https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2014/01/iratemonk_nsa...
Hint: Snoden is in Russia.