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Still playing catchup with VSCode, but without the integrated debugger and all the rest of its fancy tooling. Is it still mind-numbingly slow as well?

I can't imagine switching back to Atom at this point, or even Sublime. For individual projects I might use IntelliJ or Visual Studio again, but outside of that VSCode is my exclusive editor for all languages for the foreseeable future. I'm very impressed by what Microsoft pulled off to be honest. (Blinking cursor jokes aside, of course)

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I wish Python were better in vscode; the save to get syntax errors and dog slow processing sucks. This is largely due to the python language services ecosystem(or lack thereof a proper one) I imagine. I try to stick to TypeScript these days as much as possible anyway.

> but without the integrated debugger

Really? Isn't that what makes an IDE an IDE? We've had things like intellisense and refactoring tools in text editors for decades, the only thing that makes Visual Studio an IDE and not a stupidly complicated text editor is the debugging experience.

Can you comment on when/why you might use IntelliJ/VS over VSCode? I've recently switched to VSCode from vim, and haven't really used full IDEs since college (except for small amounts of mobile app development).

When working with large projects, a full blown IDE can really make your life easier. I use PhpStorm for my main work and I'm just in it all day. However VSCode is what I use when I just need to quickly edit something as it's still smarter than a dumb editor.

Code completion is still generally better in VS, for one.

I don't have a reason to right now, but I'm saying I could imagine having one. More specialized debugging support perhaps? Joining a team with a build system that's easier to work with from {{IDE}}?

I haven't looked at vscode for a while, but intellij and it's ilk allow me to do everything inside the ide with the same interface. For example, for a django project, it has support for vagrant, SSH, django-admin tasks, remote debugging, DB inspection/modification, virtualenvs, package management, just off the top of my head.

IMO Visual Studio is an order of magnitude more feature complete than VSCode.

If you are writing C# and using Windows there is no point in not using VS.

At least for PHP it still seems to be incredibly slow. This seems slower than some of the other 3rd party Atom addons for autocomplete. Definitely far slower than VSCode and no integrated debugger either.

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