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What can we reasonably do to stop this? This goes against the very notion of open source.

Developers have a lot of power here. Encourage others not to use anything that's BSD + Patents. If, in 2 years time, Vue is more popular than React and Facebook perceives PATENTS is the reason why, it could well vanish.

This is a great demonstration of the danger of BSD + Patents. First it's Facebook using it for a great frontend framework. Now Github is using it for an IDE. It truly a threat to open source.

I wouldn't bet against Vue been more widely used worldwide than React, it's huge outside the anglosphere and pretty popular inside.

Im on a project thats replacing react because of this issue. I don't agree with that descision, but lawyers.

We're going with Inferno. Vue feels like a better Angular, not a better React. It's not even comparable to React. It's just too clunky.

One pleasant surprise in this Facebook purge has been the discovery of seamless-immutable. It's far easier to work with, especially if you're using Typescript, which makes Immutable an absolute pain.

Interesting, I'm on same stack Vue/TS had not seen seamless-immutable thanks!

Don't use it. There exist a few Facebook fanboys but nobody I know likes Facebook.

Either you stop using it, or you convince a federal that it's unenforceable or unconscionable.

No, it is not. If you sue people with software patent, I’m happy you lose that ability.

Yeah but the protection only applies to facebook. You can still sue github and everyone else. We can clearly conclude that facebook is selfishly doing this for their own benefit and not because of an altruistic reason like a world without patents.

So in reality what you're saying means: "If you sue facebook with any patent, I’m happy you lose that ability. If you sue any other company other than facebook, I’m happy you keep that ability."

And now github is using the same license too :)

I don't have any patents why should I give a fuck about people who want to steal money from facebook?

This covers all patents, including non-software patents, so you lose the ability to sue for non-software patents as well. Are you happy with that?

But that is not even the point -- when facebook invokes the nullification clauses in the patent grant, you're simply back to no patent grant, at all. How is having a patent grant not strictly better?

No, I'm not happy with that, but that is also not what's happening here. You're still welcome to sue Facebook if you want, but you'd lose all patent licensed to you in the PATENT file.

I'm also not happy with spreading FUD. Bringing up non-software patent is a strawman.

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